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Old Jan 25, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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"It's not 'domestic spying', it's 'terrorist surveillance!"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11018747/

WASHINGTON - President Bush heads to the National Security Agency on Wednesday for another speech defending his controversial spying program, one that he insists should be called a “terrorist surveillance program” — not domestic spying without a warrant.
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Old Jan 25, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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If this type of program is what it takes to keep those with ties and suspected ties to terrorism under surveillance then so be it. But if there's something within these parameters that allow surveillance on any person for no reason, then that's a serious problem that needs to be fixed. That being said I feel there should either be a system of checks and balances conducted by an impartial governing body on all surveillance, or more specific legislation that limits surveillance to those with any sort of ties or suspected ties to terrorism. Having a government that plays big brother for no apparent reason is VERY wrong and disturbing. I do not support it whatsoever.

Sorta reminds me on what I heard on the radio this morning on the State of California installing speed sensors with cameras on the highways. They always coin the project as a "step toward safety" when all it really is a way to cut jobs, resource spending, and to create revenue from fines. Yes, if all the cars kept it below or at the speed limit then it probably would save lives. But for them to be interested in such a program based solely on preserving life is naive. We have all these automobile advancements from speed rated tires to state of the art traction control systems that are ultimately designed for white-knuckle autobahn speeds. Yet the state continues to tighten the noose? You want to promote safety, Kalifornia? Make tighter restrictions on licensing, Ban SUVs, those goddamn 100lb spinners wrapped around inadequate brakes, and cell phones while driving for ****s sake! Makes me so mad.

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Old Jan 25, 2006 | 01:56 PM
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The "terrorist surveillance" program defenitely needs some sort of check and balance, everything does. I do understand them wanting to bypass a having to obtain warrent, it does make me a little nervous, But I really do think the cia and fbi have bigger better things to worry about than listening to joe schmos phone calls though. If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you need to worry?
Old Jan 25, 2006 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
The "terrorist surveillance" program defenitely needs some sort of check and balance, everything does. I do understand them wanting to bypass a having to obtain warrent, it does make me a little nervous, But I really do think the cia and fbi have bigger better things to worry about than listening to joe schmos phone calls though. If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you need to worry?

Against the law. I believe checks and balance are need to prevent abuse. Imagine if Joe Schmos was a governor or a senator. The list goes on, this is a very slippery slope and a ugly one at that. This is one of the reasons I think Bush is one of the worst presidents ever.
Old Jan 25, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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Didnt know i was a terrorist... good to know i suppose...
Old Jan 25, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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Didnt know i was a terrorist... good to know i suppose...
How do u know they're listening to you?
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 04:33 AM
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That being said I feel there should either be a system of checks and balances conducted by an impartial governing body on all surveillance, or more specific legislation that limits surveillance to those with any sort of ties or suspected ties to terrorism. Having a government that plays big brother for no apparent reason is VERY wrong and disturbing. I do not support it whatsoever
There is a system of checks and balances. It's called congress and the Supreme court. Unfortunately, both are packed with Bush cronies and syccophants. The system is broken because the process of electing our leaders is broken.
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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There is a system of checks and balances. It's called congress and the Supreme court. Unfortunately, both are packed with Bush cronies and syccophants. The system is broken because the process of electing our leaders is broken.
That's BULLSH%&$@!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only reason there is balance is because we have "Bush cronies" and "sycophants." Liberals think they have moral high ground, but the effect of liberal policies in practice are the worst thing imagineable for our country.... open borders, free health care, eliminate poverty, racial equality, abortions on demand, responsibility of raising kids on govt (not parents)... and on and on. They sound warm and fuzzy on the surface, but you end up doing more damage than good.

I guess it really depends on what you think is the role of government.

At-a-glance, I'd say it's to give us a stabil and safe environment of opportunity.

Since we have people in this country who want to cut your head off because of your religion, what should the government now do? Kick 'em all out, or increase security? Unforturnately, liberal insanity in the form of Political Correctness doesn't allow "option 1."

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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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Since we have people in this country who want to cut your head off because of your religion, what should the government now do? Kick 'em all out, or increase security? Unforturnately, liberal insanity in the form of Political Correctness doesn't allow "option 1."
Nobody wants to cut anybody's head off because of their religion. That is simplistic pablum at it's worst.

Jihadists are aggrieved because of US intervention upon their muslim territories. They are not opposed to our religion, only our interventionalist policies.

At any rate...nobody wants to cut my head off. I have no religion

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That's BULLSH%&$@!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only reason there is balance is because we have "Bush cronies" and "sycophants."
You are a dumbass.

US house =republican controlled
US senate =republican controlled
WH= Republican
SCOTUS= majority nominated by republican
Electronic voting= Owned by republicans
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No system of checks and ballances

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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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I can't beleive Helladumb is suggesting that Bush and his people have added balance to this country. Ignorance really must be bliss...
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Nobody wants to cut anybody's head off because of their religion. That is simplistic pablum at it's worst.

Jihadists are aggrieved because of US intervention upon their muslim territories. They are not opposed to our religion, only our interventionalist policies.
I know that you know what you've said is false. History shows that Islam was spread through conquest, not some "lets hold hands and get along" policy.
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At any rate...nobody wants to cut my head off. I have no religion
So you're not an infadel?
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You are a dumbass.
Do you mean fallible? If so, I agree.

Originally Posted by lojasmo
US house =republican controlled
US senate =republican controlled
WH= Republican
SCOTUS= majority nominated by republican
Electronic voting= Owned by republicans
No system of checks and ballances
We have seen a shift to the right during the Bush Presidency, but if the American People don't like it, they will vote for democrats in the next election cycle and unseat the Republicans. This will shift balance to the left, and you will be happy again.
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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if the American People don't like it, they will vote for democrats in the next election cycle and unseat the Republicans. This will shift balance to the left, and you will be happy again.
Originally Posted by lojasmo
Electronic voting=owned by republicans
Originally Posted by vladamir lenin
It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
There is a system of checks and balances. It's called congress and the Supreme court. Unfortunately, both are packed with Bush cronies and syccophants. The system is broken because the process of electing our leaders is broken.
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Originally Posted by me
That being said I feel there should either be a system of checks and balances conducted by an impartial governing body on all surveillance, or more specific legislation that limits surveillance to those with any sort of ties or suspected ties to terrorism.
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Electronic voting= Owned by republicans
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No system of checks and ballances


Let's not do this, please.
Old Jan 26, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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how about

Electronic voting = owned by anyone who can use excel and windows XP???

i have more then a few stories on evoting machines.. haha

lets just say they are a fen sham...



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