stock srt-4 vs. stock wrx
10-21-2004 | 08:20 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Superdave17
So it is better, so what. Its a dodge.
10-21-2004 | 01:54 PM
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all i see in this post is numbers and you can't always rely on those completely because of real life stipulations, of course
i have a MY02 wrx cobb stg 2 with stock cat back exhaust and catless dp and i've walked all over 3 different modded srt-4's (tbe, intake, etc) at sac raceway drags. cobb stg 2 ecu + helix dp = $400. srt-4 = 0wn3d. apparently, srt-4 owners are too all grown up to street race...which is where that car stands any sort of chance. i think the logical decision would be to buy a wrx
-marc
i have a MY02 wrx cobb stg 2 with stock cat back exhaust and catless dp and i've walked all over 3 different modded srt-4's (tbe, intake, etc) at sac raceway drags. cobb stg 2 ecu + helix dp = $400. srt-4 = 0wn3d. apparently, srt-4 owners are too all grown up to street race...which is where that car stands any sort of chance. i think the logical decision would be to buy a wrx
-marc
10-21-2004 | 02:08 PM
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beating the dead horse
Well, looks like y'all have already discussed this to death, but FWiW, let me add my 2 cents. Back in January, several buddies & I got together & rented a motorcycle track for the day. It's a paved 1.3 mile course over in Alabama. Good for AutoXing as well, but not wide enough for any real traffic. One of their g/f's had a new SRT-4, which had just finished it's break in period, so she was pretty excited to really open it up. Needless to say, we all ended up spending the day driving each other's cars & being generally impressed with everyone's rides.
At the time, my WRX was also almost completely stock. I remember I was still on RE92's, so I'm fairly possitive that I hadn't done anything at all to the car. (Maybe the Cat-back...) Point being, both the SRT-4 & the WRX were pretty damn close to stock, & I got to run them both back to back on a track. I'm no expert on cars, but here's what I noticed.
I was really impressed by the SRT-4. It doesn't have nearly the body roll of the WRX when going through turns. The whole suspension felt much stiffer & sure footed all around. I was surprised by how agressive I could be with my turning lines, & I know I was carrying more speed into the turns than with my WRX. However, it's still a FWD car, which meant you needed to really be patient exiting the turns before you could get on the gas. Throttle modulation is the key to this car.
On the WRX's side, the AWD meant that I could get on the gas much sooner than in the SRT-4. And, I don't have to be precise with it at all. Throw it through the turn, mash the pedal & hang on. However, the RE92's just aren't much of a tire. Plus, the extra body roll of the stock supension kept me from hiting the corners as fast as I would have liked. The up side here is that you can fix a soft supension & bad tires. There's not much you can do to fix FWD, other than buy a new car...
Bottom line, we loved both cars. I still think the WRX is the better car, & she thinks the same about her SRT. Oddly enough, I turned better times in her SRT-4, & she turned beter times in my WRX. Guess that's a nice way of saying the cars are fairly well balanced against each other. I'd be curious to see what a pro could do with these cars. As amateurs, I don't think we were able to take full advantage of either car. I'd also like to try this again with some mods. Now I have sticky tires & a stiff suspension, I'd like to see what a similar amount of money could do for the SRT... Who knows... My guess is that if you're planning on staying bone-stock, the SRT is probably the better car. If you're comfortable making changes to the car, the WRX is the only way to go.
Awful long for 2 cents, eh?
-Laters!
-Chris!
At the time, my WRX was also almost completely stock. I remember I was still on RE92's, so I'm fairly possitive that I hadn't done anything at all to the car. (Maybe the Cat-back...) Point being, both the SRT-4 & the WRX were pretty damn close to stock, & I got to run them both back to back on a track. I'm no expert on cars, but here's what I noticed.
I was really impressed by the SRT-4. It doesn't have nearly the body roll of the WRX when going through turns. The whole suspension felt much stiffer & sure footed all around. I was surprised by how agressive I could be with my turning lines, & I know I was carrying more speed into the turns than with my WRX. However, it's still a FWD car, which meant you needed to really be patient exiting the turns before you could get on the gas. Throttle modulation is the key to this car.
On the WRX's side, the AWD meant that I could get on the gas much sooner than in the SRT-4. And, I don't have to be precise with it at all. Throw it through the turn, mash the pedal & hang on. However, the RE92's just aren't much of a tire. Plus, the extra body roll of the stock supension kept me from hiting the corners as fast as I would have liked. The up side here is that you can fix a soft supension & bad tires. There's not much you can do to fix FWD, other than buy a new car...
Bottom line, we loved both cars. I still think the WRX is the better car, & she thinks the same about her SRT. Oddly enough, I turned better times in her SRT-4, & she turned beter times in my WRX. Guess that's a nice way of saying the cars are fairly well balanced against each other. I'd be curious to see what a pro could do with these cars. As amateurs, I don't think we were able to take full advantage of either car. I'd also like to try this again with some mods. Now I have sticky tires & a stiff suspension, I'd like to see what a similar amount of money could do for the SRT... Who knows... My guess is that if you're planning on staying bone-stock, the SRT is probably the better car. If you're comfortable making changes to the car, the WRX is the only way to go.
Awful long for 2 cents, eh?
-Laters!
-Chris!
10-23-2004 | 08:06 PM
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The srt-4 is faster on the freeway for sure. I do think that Subaru makes a better quality car then Dodge hands down. Speed was not the main issue when I bought my wrx, but I just wanted a car that I could have fun in, be safe, and most important, wouldnt break down. I think the overall quality of the subaru will last over the neon. Shall I mention interior quality as well? The neon (srt-4) is ugly both inside and out. I know that looks are different to everyone but c'mon I think we can all agree that the interior is a bit better in the suby. If I wanted a fast car I would have bought something different with the 26K I spent for the WRX. Subaru speaks for itself. I didnt see C&D 10 best going to the srt-4 or a lot of awards like it.
10-24-2004 | 12:10 AM
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At the end of the day, what whould you rather be driving? A proven rally racer with the WRX, or the flash in the pan SRT-4. Fact is, Dodge's suck except 4 the viper, i had a stratus....garbage. The AWD and not to mention way better looks and scalability a winner every time. A TBE w/AP along with the 17' Enkei's I allready have will make me smoke that Dodge. FWD... r u kidding?
10-24-2004 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisej20
A TBE w/AP along with the 17' Enkei's I allready have will make me smoke that Dodge. FWD... r u kidding?
you theory in that statement is if you had those mods you will smoke a STOCK srt.
I honestly think the amt of money you put into getting the AP (5-600) and a TBE (about 800-1200) WILL get the srt faster than the gains achieved on the wrx.
we're talking about stock srt vs stock wrx.
10-25-2004 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cabe
I didn't know the dual exhuast was fake on the SRT-4s?
its fake, doesnt have two mufflers, two exhaust systems, it just has a split pipe w/ two exahust tips.
world > srt-4 [IMHO]
10-25-2004 | 06:47 PM
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Fake Dual Exhaust = pretty common
For the record, there are a LOT of cars out there with fake dual exhaust. The Hyundai Tiberon is one, as well as the Chevy Cavalier; there are dozens of others, including the high-end Mini and the 350Z. A true dual exhaust system would have two sets of headers (one for each block of a "V" engine), two sets of pipes and two mufflers which are completely seperate from one another.
