Imprezas and Lancers arose about the same time which was around 92. The available model is the Evolution 8 for Mitsubishi which you mentioned but the STi is on Version 8 as well (although afaik Subaru stopped version denoting at the version 6). Here are a couple timelines to look at.

Scroll down for Evo1:
http://www.myevo.com/evo.htm
Impreza:
http://www.cerbera.co.uk/impreza/imp...tory_trans.htm

I guess you could argue the engine as far as R&D goes. Mitsubishi has worked with the 4G63 for a long time, the STi motor on the other hand is still young as far as I know.

 

yea get an evo... haha.
if you keep it stock you'll still need a clutch.
if you do any mods to it albeit the 4g63 is a beast you will blow your tranny. no doubt.
anyone can say what the want compairing the evo to the sti but if you want power and reliability the sti is all you need. if you have the money to build a monster of an evo (which is no punk what-so-ever) you better have the money (and i hope you do) to get a racing trans. my buddy went thru two stock mitsi tranny's and then wized up to an aftermarket and he only had 350whp. good luck but IMO **** evo's and mitsi's in general - unless you got vr4

 

Your comments are simply retarded.

Any car w/ manual transmission will need a clutch no matter what. What are you talking about??? lol

Your buddy really had a 350whp evo? what are his mods?? where was his tuned? On whose dyno?? Whats his username on evolutionm? Thats odd, my EVO has tons of mods and my tranny still drives like new. And FYI, if anything goes, it is the transfer case that will blow up on EVO if you toally abuse the **** out of its clutch.

Whether its evo or wrx/sti, 5spd or 6spd, AWD tranny will always be its weakest link. A lot of people blew their transmission is because of high rpm launches and improper clutch dumps, or they simply just came from their previous fwd or rwd setup and have no knowledge of how AWD system works in the first place.

Next time, try to research, reason, before starting making stupid comments. It makes you look like a fool.

 

yea.... riiight..

i like your funny opinions. yes it is a matter of fact that any standard tranny car needs a clutch esp. with power like that of an evo or an sti - what i mean is an after market clutch ya silly, not keeping the stocker. the fact is my buddies evo was built and tuned by 16 out of chitown. he had fmic, tbe, avcr, stock turbo. blew tranny with stock clutch - not to say he wasn't launching and dumping really hard on the clutch. at 2279 miles on his odo his stock trans. went out. he went to mitsu (this is before his mods) and they declined to help him. in turn he sued won the value of the car and modded it up. blew his second stock tranny and now has an aftermarket one- which? i am not sure. my buddy has a stock evo and is having tranny problems. albeit he does launch it kinda hard and likes to 'play' with it, but it is his daily driver. i've heard and seen many problems with the evo8's trans. and clutch and all around the evo drivetrain. but it must be said yes it is a great car with good power but when you look at the sti it is much more dependable in its drivetrain not to mention all around a better car. it's good that the evo has the mr now to 'combat' some of the problems they were having with the regular us spec evo 8.
that aside there is no reason to be a dcik about sharing opinions. i am stating what i've seen since a majority of my friends drive evos that are heavily modded.
my buddy's 450 conservative whp evo was a beast but suffered in the end some serious drivability problems due to abusive launches at the track, had blown numerous diffs on the car as well as when driving down the track (he's not a terribly hard shifter) put his car into reverse blowing that hub instead of fourth.. which is driver error but if I've ever placed my stick in reverse the reverse gear still won't engage obviously while moving etc. he sold it for a 98 gsx. sorry if opinion sharing makes one look like a 'fool' LOL.
1. good for you and your 'heavily' modded evo. i'd like to see your mods & #'s if you've hit the dyno/ track..
2. it is not always the t-case that goes out leading to drivetrain problems w/ an evo... could be diffs, yaw control, etc.
3. yes a manual trans. maybe the "weakest link" on an awd car but when you look at the jdm v6 to v7 or us spec v8 trannies they are not weak nor would i venture to even call them "the weakest link" with those cars.. but when talking about an evo yes you can call it's drivetrain the weakest link b/c it is. that is my opinion. i am sticking to it. like i've said i've seen it, heard of it, read about it - all before i purchased my car. mebbe if the mr was out i would of considered it. but when it comes down to it i rather roll in a subie. just talk to: http://www.teamrip.com/Evolution.html you might try reading up here http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ighlight=trans, check out these posts searched at evolutionm: http://forums.evolutionm.net/search.php?searchid=840788, http://www.mitsubishisucks.com/cars/...h/lancer/2003/ - this link will take you to lancer's scroll down you'll see evo's also they have evo specific problems on this site too, just gotta navi thru it. talk to team rip if you want they'll talk your ear off about problems with the evo drivetrain. - this should be enuff links and babbling for now..
you're talking to a diehard subie fan.. a stubborn one at that!
but yea call me an idiot all you want lol i guess sharing opinions is wrong. HaH!
oh and further more my buddy doesn't belong to evolutionm forums.

 

FYI, there's no way your buddy's car was putting down 350whp w/ just the mods you mentioned on stock turbo. what type EMS was he running?? at what afr?? your buddy probably were just merely putting down 265-275whp tops on corrected chassis-load based dynometers. Perhaps he dyno'd at a 2wd dyno and thought that 350whp was his actual number??? lol How naive.. how about calculate in wheel/weight transfer loss?!?!?! lol you also stated he "wasn't really" dumping the clutch. So was he or wasn't he? It seems to me, he did dumped the clutch a lot of times, whether its 1 time, 2 times, 5 times, perhaps even more!!! But that doesn't matter, it doesn't matter how many times, even 1 time is abusing it. To anyone's eye, HE WAS abusing it!!! Its no brainer that his clutch was toasted with his "oh, I wasn't really dumping the clutch" behavior... that leads you to say mitsu's tranny is weaker than STi huh?? Wait, Are you comparing the Mitsu 5spd to the WRX 5spd or MR 6spd to the STi 6spd?? If you are comparing Mitsu 5spd v.s STi 6spd, then thats comparing apples and oranges, isn't it?

Oh, and now you are linking transmission failure threads from evom.net.. You know that doesn't really tell anyone anything. You want me to dig out the tranny failure threads on nasioc, clubwrx, and I-Club too?
And also FYI, im a vendor in various wrx/evo forums, and have been selling gear sets to fix broken glass WRX tranny for more than a few years. And during this time frame, I think I have seen more customers w/ problem wrx tranny than EVO. You might want to check your stats again.

So you are really a diehard subaru fan huh? did you even know what a subaru is back in the days? shiet.. I bet you were driving a Honduh weren't you?

 

no honduh's here.
yes of course i am aware of the wrx glass tranny. i do suffer from that well i do now but here in a couple of months i won't. besides that point my point in this flame is now to ask you why are you so concerned about my buddy's evo? i don't have his numbers to prove anything but i believe him b/c all my buddies in chicago have pretty crazy cars all tuned at either AMS or 16 (my buddy's evo was at AMS I said earlier it was 16 but I was incorrect). my agrument is between you and evo trannies and drivetrain. not wrx trannies or my buddy's car. if the mr is capable of fixing the evo8's problems i'd have to say how stupid mitsu was and is in releasing a car only to re release it the same or next year after when they new about the problem. oh yea, no comments about mitsubishisucks.com ?! yea i am very aware that i pointed you in the direction of evolutionm forums but go ahead read all the headers to those posts you will find many posts of drivetrain problems so don't pull my chain about that.. oh and you're a vendor? what is that supposed to mean to me?! oh i should respect your opinion more or think 'higher' of you?
i've never driven hondas, i have had a mistu, subaru, suzi gixxer, etc.. don't talk to me like i don't know what i'm talking about. i rather have wrx tranny over evo8 tranny... either way rather have sti 6spd then mr 6 spd. it's about engineering and quality - subaru has that hands down. there are always pros and cons, and in my opinion which you should already get by now is that the pros for subies outweigh those of the mitsu! apples:apples and oranges: oranges
oh fyi this is the dumbest thing i've heard:
"I think I have seen more customers w/ problem wrx tranny than EVO. You might want to check your stats again." you think you have? yea and i THINK you're wrong!
dude not that it matters but i know techs about both subie and evo shops and there is a reason why i bought a wrx although the power is significantly lower then that of the evo it is IMO less breakable - check out evolutionm they got posts all about evo daily drivers, non dumpers loosing clutch at 9k.. lol
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party on wayne, flame on garth..

 

Again, you are still unable to back up your claim of why EVO tranny is weaker than WRX's.

Have you actually taken apart both wrx/evo tranny and compare gears before saying anything stupid.

Oh, you don't need to point where to find info about EVOs for me. I am on evolutionm.net and wrx related forums more than you do.

 

you are wrong again. the release of MR is their marketing strategy, it has nothing to do w/ evo8's 5spd nor its related problems. same thing goes for the STi. The new age STi's w/ 6spd is released not because of wrx weak tranny.

As for posts in the evom, yes I have read them. Most people are suffering "Transfer Case (not transmission) failure" due to abusing the clutch, that is if you know how Mitsu AWD is set up.

I pulled your chain because there were a lot of posts of people having tranny issues w/ wrx when it was first introduced, and you seem to refuse to look at that stats.

 

Its funny that you believed their false claims. MOA voided so many warranty claims because they can find out if the car's been abused (clutch dumps) thru the ECU

haha and Ok bro, don't be crying and calling us for RA gearsets when your tranny goes bye bye.

 

I don't think it matters which tranny is better, neither are really anything to brag about.

If either of you are concerned about which one has more faults than the other, I doubt the difference will be significant.

 

good point lol. they do both suck... and 1fastgc don't worry about ra sets they're shiet as well... sti 6spd baby!
but i must lament thru all this flaming however it is fun voicing an opinion it is just as fun to learn. also the evo mr is one sexy lil' bi*ch! definitely a better looking and driving car then the wrx and wrx sti... but like i said i rather roll subies with my hook up- i get warranteed for having a suped wrx b/c i know the master tech and majority of the techs and service supervisors so i get a fat hook up... unfortunately the case when i looked at evo's= i knew noone.
but still 1fastgc i'm gonna have to talk sh*t and say: sti tranny better then mr. you don't see subie releasing a 5spd sti and then releasing a 6spd version... they just have it together if you ask me. either way however- when you drive cars like the majority of "us" do and you put parts on like the majority of "us" do you're going to run into problems regardless so at that point it's more or less about what brand you prefer. obviously 1fastgc is into mitsu's and i feel your pain...
peace and flame on !

 

i'm familiar with the mitsu set up. better awd then subaru sti but... why re sell a car that is almost identical to the previous - evo8? (between the differences of the 8 and the mr 8 ). congratz on reading posts... either way it's some sort of drivetrain failure and i think you can admit that there is more problems with evo's then there are subies with drivetrain and if you can't then you gotta evo ego problem! you pulled my chain? - thanks it was erm, great?! and yes my buddy was pushing 350 on stock turbo- you want his phone number to talk it over with him? b/c seriously i am kinda getting sick of you posting about sh*t that i'm not arguing about... i'm aruging with you about the drivetrain of the evo in comparison to the drivetrain of the wrx or that of the wrx sti.
- far superior..
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party on wayne, flame on garth..

 

Yeah... but the USDM Evo doesn't have AYC?