Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru

You can laugh all you want to, because you're wrong. What lead GM into the ground were the unions and poor marketing strategies. Not to mention, it didn't help that the only true performance car they had left was the Corvette, which many couldn't afford. GM concentrated on their truck line because it is their #1 seller, and along the way they forgot that they also built cars.

Within the next few years you will see some awesome products from GM. It's already started. Look at the Solstice and Sky, especially the GXP and Redline models. In 2009 the Camaro is returning along with a totally redesigned and retooled GTO, this time, done right. Don't forget that the next Pontiac Grand Prix is going to house 362 hp and be based off of the next Holden Commodore. GM will prove once again that they are a dominating force, just like they did in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. I wouldn't be so hasty to count GM out if I were you.

Then you sit here and talk about how you "know that story" about the STi. So, what's the story that we're all supposed to know? I'd hate to **** on your parade but the STi/STI is faster than the Evo in a straight line, and the IX is just about on par with the STi/STI. Handling's a different story, and the Evo doesn't handle all that much better than an STi/STI, I'll have you know. In fact, the 2006 STI was rated right on par with the Evo in terms of handling. So....what's that story?

And once again, the STi/STI NEVER made more than advertised hp. You're thinking of the Camaro and Firebird that were rated at 305 hp and making closer to 350 hp.

And then you mention that the Evo X is going to make 330 hp at the crank. Please, enlighten us all how a car with an AWD drivetrain is going to make 300 whp when it's making 330 hp at the crank. An AWD car with 330 hp will be lucky to make 265 whp with 330 hp at the crank.

Next subject.

Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru

Thank you for showing everyone your true lack of intelligence. I'm sure everyone appreciated it.

Oh, and "retarted" is spelled "retarded." If you're gonna call someone "retarted," at least spell it right. www.dictionary.com can help you.

But just to really add insult, you're right. American cars don't handle for sh*t. Who in their right mind would want a Mosler MT900, Ford GT, Corvette Z06, Dodge Viper, or Saleen S7? After all, they're all "poor resell American trash."

Originally Posted by STi489

look hes starting over here LMAO hes busting out the american power

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...7&page=2&pp=15

Originally Posted by DragonSube

Doesnt the Subaru Sti put down 285whp and 300 at the crank??
I do not know what i am makeing at the crank but i am putting 320whp so wouldnt that be around 350hp.

Originally Posted by MBasile

sorry, drivetrain loss is a lot more than 5% (285/300) and it is not a set number...if it were a set number, a 15hp car would have 0whp

there are other threads about drivetrain loss

Originally Posted by DragonSube

Doesnt the Subaru Sti put down 285whp and 300 at the crank??
I do not know what i am makeing at the crank but i am putting 320whp so wouldnt that be around 350hp.

Originally Posted by SubyN00by

stock sti will put out anywhere from 230whp to 250whp depending on the dyno

Originally Posted by DragonSube

SGP racing, which there dyno is problly the best you can buy. and stock i put down 265whp and 270lbs. which is about right for a stock sti

Originally Posted by Superglue WRX

Smells like a dynojet. A mustang dyno is much more humbling.