You Little Punks Feelin' Lucky?
Originally posted by dahveed
Taurus and Berettas are garbage...now give me a H&K Mark 23 and let me go to work!!!
Taurus and Berettas are garbage...now give me a H&K Mark 23 and let me go to work!!!
garbage?
If Berettas are horrible, why would our
military use them?
Please educate me.
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Originally posted by dahveed
Taurus and Berettas are garbage...now give me a H&K Mark 23 and let me go to work!!!
Taurus and Berettas are garbage...now give me a H&K Mark 23 and let me go to work!!!
Berettas are awesome. Love the guns... I personally think HK is garbage... I guess it's just a matter of opinion.
However, I am a big Sig fan... especially the P220, and P229. *drool*
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Berettas blow up when you fire +P+ loads, and the US got them because of the low bid.
Taurus copies Beretta, what good is that???
I practice what I preach, I shoot a Walther P99 in .40 cal, it's accurate, reliable, and very well-made.

The next pistol to buy is the Mark 23...
Taurus copies Beretta, what good is that???
I practice what I preach, I shoot a Walther P99 in .40 cal, it's accurate, reliable, and very well-made.

The next pistol to buy is the Mark 23...
Originally posted by dahveed
Berettas blow up when you fire +P+ loads, and the US got them because of the low bid.
I practice what I preach, I shoot a Walther P99 in .40 cal, it's accurate, reliable, and very well-made.
Berettas blow up when you fire +P+ loads, and the US got them because of the low bid.
I practice what I preach, I shoot a Walther P99 in .40 cal, it's accurate, reliable, and very well-made.
The P99 was also one of my fav until Taurus came out with the 24/7.
http://www.taurususa.com/products/pr...ategory=Pistol
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Thanks.
I agree with you, I hate Glocks too...nice low barrel, but everything else about them sucks.
The only poly pistols I like are the Walther, the H&Ks, and the new Steyr.
I've never taken Taurus seriously, but then every brand has their fans!
I agree with you, I hate Glocks too...nice low barrel, but everything else about them sucks.
The only poly pistols I like are the Walther, the H&Ks, and the new Steyr.
I've never taken Taurus seriously, but then every brand has their fans!
Originally posted by brucelee
That's a nice pistol. A tad small for my ogre hands, but nice.
I really, really hate glocks. They are truley pieces of crap.
That's a nice pistol. A tad small for my ogre hands, but nice.
I really, really hate glocks. They are truley pieces of crap.
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Anything man made can break. Each person has their opinions on their chosen handgun.
I have tried them all and have gone through alot to finalize my personal stuff (about 3000 rounds a month in practice still).
As far as Berettas and Taurus (92 series) they are really accurate guns. Their engineered service life is approx: 10,000 rounds, but can be extended with the replacement of the recoil spring and locking block. I have seen the Beretta's slides break in half, but these are the earlier USA made ones. The slides were heat treated to hard and so became brittle. +P+ loads will not blow up the gun. It will accelerate the wear though.
HK USP and Mark 23 pistols are durable guns, just expensive to service if a part breaks. We use the USP .45's at our training grounds (www.campcqb.com), and the part that breaks sometimes is the firing pin (approx: $50) and the stamped steel trigger bar. Very accurate and durable. Engineered service life: 30,000 rounds.
Also, the Mark 23 is classified as an assault pistol now. Threaded barrel, prominent pistol grip, and capable of taking a magazine of more that 10 rounds. Good luck getting one LEGALLY and expect to fork out more than $2000.
The Walter P99 / SW99 are real good too, but their main achiles heels is the trigger return spring. They tend to snap and render the gun as a single shot (but you can reset the trigger by pushing it forward). Engineered service life is approx: 10,000 too. Very ergonomic.
The Glock series, I personally hated these guns at first, but when I was in the service and went through at a minimun of 3000 rounds a day in practice, my Beretta 92F / M9, wore out, my SIg 226, cracked it's frame and the roll pin that holds the breach block in the slide sheared off. The Glock 17 was recommended to me. I have seen the drop test at 200-400 feet from a choper and they still worked! My personal Glock 17 that I acquired right out- side Ft. Benning is still going strong with almost 200,000 rounds (springs changed every 3500 rounds and firing pin changed at 30,000 rounds)! They are like Bic pens, ugly, but they work.
The SIG series are real good too, but again, engineered service life is approx: 10,000 rounds. Very accurate and reliable, until rust forms around the slide, barrel, and recoil spring guide, then it's a jam-matic.
Smith and Wesson autos- They are o.k. Smooth double action trigger pulls, and single action, but their main problem is their trigger linkage...snaps in half whenever...very bad design.
Ruger autos, ugly, but great for their value and durability. I tried one of the .45 ones with half the slide missing! It still worked and is accurate!
If you really want to see where the guns get tortured , it's in the rental ranges. They don't clean them, oil them, and a whole lot of different ammo gets shot through them.......the ones that I see that out lasts them all is the ugly Glocks....and the Ruger revolvers smokes the semi-autos by far!
Chosing a gun is a personal matter, just pick one that best fits you and the way you shoot, one shouldn't listen to the sofa commandos when making a choice.
Just my .02 cents :banana:
I have tried them all and have gone through alot to finalize my personal stuff (about 3000 rounds a month in practice still).
As far as Berettas and Taurus (92 series) they are really accurate guns. Their engineered service life is approx: 10,000 rounds, but can be extended with the replacement of the recoil spring and locking block. I have seen the Beretta's slides break in half, but these are the earlier USA made ones. The slides were heat treated to hard and so became brittle. +P+ loads will not blow up the gun. It will accelerate the wear though.
HK USP and Mark 23 pistols are durable guns, just expensive to service if a part breaks. We use the USP .45's at our training grounds (www.campcqb.com), and the part that breaks sometimes is the firing pin (approx: $50) and the stamped steel trigger bar. Very accurate and durable. Engineered service life: 30,000 rounds.
Also, the Mark 23 is classified as an assault pistol now. Threaded barrel, prominent pistol grip, and capable of taking a magazine of more that 10 rounds. Good luck getting one LEGALLY and expect to fork out more than $2000.
The Walter P99 / SW99 are real good too, but their main achiles heels is the trigger return spring. They tend to snap and render the gun as a single shot (but you can reset the trigger by pushing it forward). Engineered service life is approx: 10,000 too. Very ergonomic.
The Glock series, I personally hated these guns at first, but when I was in the service and went through at a minimun of 3000 rounds a day in practice, my Beretta 92F / M9, wore out, my SIg 226, cracked it's frame and the roll pin that holds the breach block in the slide sheared off. The Glock 17 was recommended to me. I have seen the drop test at 200-400 feet from a choper and they still worked! My personal Glock 17 that I acquired right out- side Ft. Benning is still going strong with almost 200,000 rounds (springs changed every 3500 rounds and firing pin changed at 30,000 rounds)! They are like Bic pens, ugly, but they work.
The SIG series are real good too, but again, engineered service life is approx: 10,000 rounds. Very accurate and reliable, until rust forms around the slide, barrel, and recoil spring guide, then it's a jam-matic.
Smith and Wesson autos- They are o.k. Smooth double action trigger pulls, and single action, but their main problem is their trigger linkage...snaps in half whenever...very bad design.
Ruger autos, ugly, but great for their value and durability. I tried one of the .45 ones with half the slide missing! It still worked and is accurate!
If you really want to see where the guns get tortured , it's in the rental ranges. They don't clean them, oil them, and a whole lot of different ammo gets shot through them.......the ones that I see that out lasts them all is the ugly Glocks....and the Ruger revolvers smokes the semi-autos by far!
Chosing a gun is a personal matter, just pick one that best fits you and the way you shoot, one shouldn't listen to the sofa commandos when making a choice.
Just my .02 cents :banana:
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Originally posted by Broken Arrow
Daniel,
If you want a better laser for that gun, I can hook you up! No external wires/ pressure switch to tend with.
Daniel,
If you want a better laser for that gun, I can hook you up! No external wires/ pressure switch to tend with.
What kind of prices can you get? Also, dove tail attachments?
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Do you want an external one? I can get you a higher intensity laser (daylight type). Your choice internal (replaces your guide rod), or external....it replaces your right grip. This is the one that I use on my 92 F. 
As far as prices.....pm me.....
As far as a dove tail unit.....the newer Berettas come with a built in rail. I can get a gunsmith to install one on a current 92 series, but it will cost some money. The internal and laser grips are the one that I can recommend.

As far as prices.....pm me.....

As far as a dove tail unit.....the newer Berettas come with a built in rail. I can get a gunsmith to install one on a current 92 series, but it will cost some money. The internal and laser grips are the one that I can recommend.
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