I work at Highland fixing broken faces and I have a feeling business is about to start picking up (our other busy day is usually Raider home games). My question is, does anyone know the safest route from from Alameda to Highland Hospital? I'm definitely packing

 

I commute on bart through oakland and see bart Cops all the time. Taser on one side, firearm on the other. They do this so they don't pull a gun on someone and shoot them in the back with a sig, when they just want to "Taze him bro".

And the Tazer bart cops have been using has a pistol grip, like the sig. but it have a giant yellow body with two lightning bolts on the side of it. But lets go through this. He says it was an accident. Cops dont carry their side arms cocked in the holsters. Unless your working in San pablo (like my cosuin Ryan), there is no reason to. So this *** had to unholster the weapon, aim it at the dudes back, **** (pull the hammer back on the) THE GODDAMN FIREARM (which you don't have to do in the same way with the tazer), and then pull the trigger. he knew what he was doing in the moment. If he wanted to subdue the guy with a bullet, he could have put it in his knee.

The ****er shot him in the back, he needs to pay for it. anything less then Voulentary Manslaughter is a ****ing joke.

even if he does do time, they'll keep him in a secured cell, away from all the other riff-raff. so in the end it really doesn't matter. PD's look out for their own, not the public. Which is why I have no respect for cops.

 

I dont think anyone would argue that he didnt mean to shoot the guy, but what its going to come down to is, why did he pull out his gun on a suspect that was restrained and lying on his stomach in the first place? Thats going to be a hard sell to the jury and whats going to be the difference between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter.

Either way, even if he only serves a year, thats a hell of a long time when your a white cop that shot a black guy in the back, just sayin

 

He was not in cuffs yet, or thats why they are saying in court..

If Grant got killed by a black cop we would not have this HUGE over the top case in LA, the cop would be out for work on leave for a month and be back to work like nothing happened. For no reason Grant should have been killed over this but it over the top and bull crap the way the people of Oakland are going to throw rock into subway, light cars on fide, and over tip cop cars. Just leads for more reason for all cops to shoot first and ask questions later.

 

In my opinion, neither party was right. The officer clearly needs to get punished for going overboard, in the heat of the moment, things get crazy, but you should be able to keep your cool, or find anotherjob. Was the subject a saint? No. Did he deserve to die? No. Was he resisting and being violent and need to have been brought down with a tazer to facilitate arrest? Yes. I'm sure it wasn't premeditated or conscious, I think involuntary man slaughter is appropriate.

I think that its so freaking stupid that riots are a very real possibility, all it will do is **** off the police and allow them to justify a response, hurt innocent people and businesses. So in other words, nothing positive will come from it. There are ways to peacefully demonstrate politically.

If there are riots, I hope that every person who participates in it gets their just desserts. Its going to be a rough time for me and I'm not looking forward to it.

 

Wait, aren't Sig's double action? No cocking the weapon needed to fire once a full magazine is loaded and the slide is racked IIRC. On top of that, certain Sig models have that thumb latch to return the hammer to a resting position with a single action trigger pull IIRC.

Gun experts chime in please!

 

Not bringing either Grant nor the Officer's character into it.. my only .02 is that it was obviously not murder, it's involuntary manslaughter. The cop is at fault whether because of the heat of the moment or poor training, but it was an accident though he did not kill Grant on purpose.

Second, it's a shame that people are going to use this as an excuse to riot, and only because it was a white on minority incident. If this was anything else, white on white, minority on minority, no one would be talking about riots afterwords. Sad that we still have to bring race into this. Grant could've been any color of hooligan and this would have happened as i see it, due to the hectic situation on the platform at the time and **** POOR training the officer obviously recieved.

Stay out of the East Bay when the verdict is dropped.

 

from what i understand Mehserle had both his gun and taser on his right side, so he would be able to draw both with his right hand.

 

Yes, Sig's are double action if the hammer is all the way forward and most models (except the DAK models) are single action once the hammer is pulled back or the slide has gone to the rear from racking or firing. Simply put if you pull the trigger on a Sig pistol it will fire each and every time you pull the trigger until empty or malfunction no matter what the condition of the hammer. They make great service pistols for properly trained law enforcement officers and military.

As someone who has received law enforcement training and saw the videos, none of the officers acted or used appropriate force levels for the actions from the suspects. The BART cops showed inexperience, uncertainty, lack of professionalism and used higher levels of force than needed to gain compliance. Even using a tazer on the suspect would have been an unnecessary use of force that could have been resolved with lower levels of force especially with 2 officers on him. BART should consider sending all of their officers through more training as well as ongoing training and even leadership training to prevent incidents like this from happening again. Proper training and at least monthly (should be weekly) would/could have prevented this from happening.

I have never been one to sympathize with those being arrested or those injured or killed during arrest nor do I have a bleeding heart for the suspect that died. However in a court of law it is the court's duty to press charges against this officer for using excessive force. As for the actual charge he should be hit with, it should depend on the use of force training he received as a BART officer. If this training was adequate then voluntary manslaughter should be fitting, if not involuntary manslaughter and BART needs to adjust their training.

 

Well then he is a retard....

 

Don't know and don't really care. Just trying to **** over overbear

 

Thanks for the confirmation and the level-headed analysis.

 

That's correct. When the Sig is in Condition 1 (round in chamber) you can fire the weapon by simply pulling the trigger. The first shot will be double action and all subsequent shots will be in single action mode.

The decock lever drops the hammer to return it to double action mode.

 

YES, I was waiting for you to chime in! Thanks!

 

Lurk is correct.

What model sig do BART cops use? The P220? P229? Those are common amongst most PD's, probably the P229...



Lets all meet in Oakland when the verdict is read and have a BAM sized meet right across the street from city hall! What do you guys think? Isn't it a great idea?!