Trying to build a freeway thought the Mt Hamilton range?!

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Old Mar 28, 2003 | 08:10 PM
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Trying to build a freeway thought the Mt Hamilton range?!

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercuryne...ws/5171301.htm

Psshh... I will protest this until I'm too old to protest!
Old Mar 28, 2003 | 11:05 PM
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Boo for screwing with mt. hammy, ya for a new highway going from central valley to san jose.
Old Mar 28, 2003 | 11:15 PM
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It's just part of the growing pains for the Bay Area. As a former commuter to the Central Valley, I can attest to the fact that another artery is sorely needed.

I would have to come out in support of this initiative. So long as they don't commercialize, or urbanize the surroundings.
Old Mar 28, 2003 | 11:18 PM
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Hmmm, I like this Pomo guy! What about the stupid SJ lib that is against him! Freaking city boys don't know anything about real true nature anyway.
Old Mar 29, 2003 | 12:00 AM
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Pombo says he doesn't know yet how much the road would cost. But it would cut smog, he argues, because it would reduce idling traffic.

I think a car at 2700, 3400, or 4000 rpms in high gear will make more polution that one at idle....

I'm in favor a new route, but put it south of Mt Hamilton. I mean, why try to make something THAT steep?!?!? Go where the land is MUCH lower.

Even then, I'm really interested in seeing where this would all go.

-Gagan
Old Mar 29, 2003 | 10:04 PM
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it's about time...

i'll vote for this...

it just makes sense. noww that more and more commuters are coming from the central valley into silly-con valley...
Old Mar 29, 2003 | 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by joltdudeuc
I think a car at 2700, 3400, or 4000 rpms in high gear will make more polution that one at idle....

I'm in favor a new route, but put it south of Mt Hamilton. I mean, why try to make something THAT steep?!?!? Go where the land is MUCH lower.

Even then, I'm really interested in seeing where this would all go.

-Gagan
Hopefully the strategy here is to go for the most ludicrous freeway proposal possible so that after a little yelling and screaming and protesting, the 'compromise' deal of the southern route will work out. I hate to see wildlands get paved too, but MAN do we need another East-West corridor. I can't use the freeway to go from work to school and back sometimes. (living on I-80)
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Originally posted by joltdudeuc
I think a car at 2700, 3400, or 4000 rpms in high gear will make more polution that one at idle....
-Gagan
Actually, a cars catalyst is much more effecient when the revs/heat is/are up. One of the he worst things for the environment is an idling vehicle. Have you been to San Louis Obispo? Drive throught are prohibited for this very fact.

You also have to take into effect time. A car idling for 2 hours going over the Altamont is goint to emitt a heck of alot more emissions than a car at 70 over the pass because it only takes 15-20 minutes to make the crossing.
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Actually, a cars catalyst is much more effecient when the revs/heat is/are up.
Not only is it more efficient, but the "tailpipe" part of our upcoming "dyno" emissions tests in the Bay Area will most likely get EASIER to pass. Why?.....the cats get a LOT more efficient once there is some load put on the motor and thus more heat into the cats (i.e. not the "no load" conditions at idle/2500 like we have now). And the new dyno tests do NOT test the car at idle!

Having just been thru the smog stuff myself on my other car (FINALLY got it to pass yesterday, it was FIVE MONTHS overdue and been one hell of a struggle....not a cheap one at that!) I've learned a few things
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If idle tests are a thing of the past, then so might be the uppipe cats on the WRX. That's basically what it's there for.
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What boggles my mind is, that some of you are for this!
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For another freeway? Of course! Have you ever had to drive from livermore to tracy or vice versa?
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Originally posted by BADWRX
Actually, a cars catalyst is much more effecient when the revs/heat is/are up. One of the he worst things for the environment is an idling vehicle. Have you been to San Louis Obispo? Drive throught are prohibited for this very fact.

You also have to take into effect time. A car idling for 2 hours going over the Altamont is goint to emitt a heck of alot more emissions than a car at 70 over the pass because it only takes 15-20 minutes to make the crossing.
Ahhhh....


Dan, We're definatly all for another HWY... HOWEVER, we don't want it going over Hamilton. Somewhere else would be good, and No trucks would be great.

-Gagan



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