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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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For those of you voting tomorrow

For people who are in the penisular.

Yes to G and No to F.

Proposition G is for the redevelopment of the Hunterpoint district. That will mean more jobs and making hunterspoint a better place to live for everyone. Also possibly a new stadium for the 9ers.

I don't understand those how would object to this.

FYI, all funding for the development will be coming from the developer not a dime from the city at all. How good can that get.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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yes on 99
no on 98!
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wagonrex

FYI, all funding for the development will be coming from the developer not a dime from the city at all. How good can that get.
You seriously buy into this?
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
You seriously buy into this?
I am not buying into it. It is a fact. Even if the city puts in money, there is no downside of it. You are turning the pit of SF into something like the embacadaro. Hunterpoint has been a **** hole for so long, this is the only chance for it to be redevelope. if the proposition don't go through, the developer will walk on the project, there would be anyother who will be capable of taking the project on.

It's now or never.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wagonrex
I am not buying into it. It is a fact. Even if the city puts in money, there is no downside of it. You are turning the pit of SF into something like the embacadaro. Hunterpoint has been a **** hole for so long, this is the only chance for it to be redevelope. if the proposition don't go through, the developer will walk on the project, there would be anyother who will be capable of taking the project on.

It's now or never.
Except that Lennar is hardly a company with a ton of honesty or history in following through with their promises.

Hell, they are currently listed at junk bond status.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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^^ Yeah they have a bad name out there, but what do we have to lose. Believe me, i have dealt with a lot of developers and Lennar is by far a better developer than alot of others.

I am pretty sure they are going to do alot if they get the go ahead.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wagonrex
^^ Yeah they have a bad name out there, but what do we have to lose. Believe me, i have dealt with a lot of developers and Lennar is by far a better developer than alot of others.

I am pretty sure they are going to do alot if they get the go ahead.
We have the land to lose - we basically are giving it to them for free, with no cost and no penalties if they do nothing with it.

I'm voting no on this one - its a bad idea.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mcowger
We have the land to lose - we basically are giving it to them for free, with no cost and no penalties if they do nothing with it.

I'm voting no on this one - its a bad idea.
True, however, you as a resident don't get anything from it sitting there undeveloped and gets occupied by homeless and host drug deals. The only thing that will happen is possibly increase crime in SF and there is no benefit of leaving it undeveloped.

I can only see the benefits and very little to no disadvantage for this deal to go thru.

It is the only chance to keep the 9ers here and also create jobs in this economic down turn.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wagonrex
True, however, you as a resident don't get anything from it sitting there undeveloped and gets occupied by homeless and host drug deals. The only thing that will happen is possibly increase crime in SF and there is no benefit of leaving it undeveloped.

I can only see the benefits and very little to no disadvantage for this deal to go thru.

It is the only chance to keep the 9ers here and also create jobs in this economic down turn.
I'd prefer to stick with Prop F, which is the communities plan that doesn't involve handouts to a developer.

As for the 9ers - I dont give a rats *** about keeping a sports team. I'd prefer they left. As for creating jobs - again, theres no requirement that Lennar do so, and they have a bad history of keeping promises.

Also, Yes on 99, no on 98.

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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mcowger
I'd prefer to stick with Prop F, which is the communities plan that doesn't involve handouts to a developer.

As for the 9ers - I dont give a rats *** about keeping a sports team. I'd prefer they left. As for creating jobs - again, theres no requirement that Lennar do so, and they have a bad history of keeping promises.

Also, Yes on 99, no on 98.
What are those communities plan be? Development of hunterspoint and candlestick is so challenging due to historical site usage and also soil characteristics. It's take alot of money to develop that land more than the land would cost if it was sold instead of given out.

You are entitled to vote for what you want, but I feel this is the best opportunity for the place to get better that everyone will benefit from it. Considering Lennar will do what they said they would.
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mcowger
I'd prefer to stick with Prop F, which is the communities plan that doesn't involve handouts to a developer.
The problem with F is that it mandates 50% of the development be allotted for low income housing, which is great from an anti-gentrification point of view, but will basically mean death to any real development plans in the area. No developer is going to want to build on the land if there is no possibility of making any money at all. Plus, Chris Daly is sponsoring the bill and I really think everything he does is just for attention and really hinders the legislative process in the city. I think if one were not to support G, then not voting for F would be better. At least that way, there will be room in the future for a better proposal rather than getting stuck with F's mess.
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by crazy_sherm
The problem with F is that it mandates 50% of the development be allotted for low income housing, which is great from an anti-gentrification point of view, but will basically mean death to any real development plans in the area. No developer is going to want to build on the land if there is no possibility of making any money at all. Plus, Chris Daly is sponsoring the bill and I really think everything he does is just for attention and really hinders the legislative process in the city. I think if one were not to support G, then not voting for F would be better. At least that way, there will be room in the future for a better proposal rather than getting stuck with F's mess.
Not to mention that F will use public funds. Meaning your tax money to create affordable housings. That's just saying let's expand the **** hole even more. This is so unrealistic, the money that will is involve in building on this site will exceed that they can sell it for as affordable housing. I guess for the people who votes Yes for F wants to subsidize it.
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