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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 05:55 PM
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thinking of using a new turbo-opinions

currently i have a td06-20g w/8cm. blouch offers the XT upgrade for 300$. ive given some thought to the following turbos

-element gt52
-blouch 1.0xt
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-FP hta green

im open to ideas but would like input.
Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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are you running pump or E85.?
You on a stock block or oem shortblock?
Whats your current WHP numbers?
Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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i'm running a blousch td05 16g xt 7cm and love it.

it's my dd, i didn't want/need high spool, wanted to keep it all low.

have 308awhp/302 tq. works great for me, but i don't have all that much experience with other turbos.

i've heard a lot of good things with the FP green though.
Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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thinking pump and e85. stock motor but im working on having EQ do a stage 1 build.
as for goals i would like to see 370-380 whp on pump. our local e85 shut down so for now im limited to e85.

current numbers are 350/340 on eds road dyno software.
Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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what's Ed's advice?
Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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well i made around 372whp and 450tq on e85 tune with ed, but my tune is pretty aggressive.
but in my opinion anywhere above 360whp on a stock block is really pushing the oem ringlands.
i have broke plenty of them before in the past lol.

man that 20g 8cm you have sounds like a awsome setup, espcially on e85 bro!
Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:35 PM
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Element tuning GT52 for sure! I'll be picking this up too.

Element Tuning GT52 $1899
(52 lb/min, 375-500whp, Bolt-On)
This turbocharger is very similar to many other 7cm TD06 20G framed bolt-ons but that's where the comparison ends. In this particular turbocharger we use a Garret GT30R 52 lbs compressor wheel, Garrett turbine wheel and shaft. The compressor is a GT30R rated at 52 lbs utilizing an internal wastegate.

Typically we see 20 psi by 3600-3800 rpm tuning with the Hydra with pump gas power in the 375-400 whp range. Both housings are completely ported for increased flow and wastegate performance. Race gas power is in the 475-500whp range.
Expect to achieve full boost with the proper modifications and a quality tune between 3500-4000rpms. Fuel upgrades for this turbocharger and proper engine management are required.

The Element GT52 has been recently updated to increase internal wastegate performance.* Increased port work, larger wastegate port, and a larger wastegate valve has been utilized to ensure boost creep free performance.



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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 06:44 PM
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The fp green is a pretty good turbo. I had it on my 06 wrx, and it gave me 330hp and about 340-350tq. I also heard good things bout the element gt52 both are great turbos so I don't thing you can good wrong with either those 2. But it also depends on how much power you want to get as well.
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Originally Posted by LOL VTEC
Element tuning GT52 for sure! I'll be picking this up too.

Element Tuning GT52 $1899
(52 lb/min, 375-500whp, Bolt-On)
This turbocharger is very similar to many other 7cm TD06 20G framed bolt-ons but that's where the comparison ends. In this particular turbocharger we use a Garret GT30R 52 lbs compressor wheel, Garrett turbine wheel and shaft. The compressor is a GT30R rated at 52 lbs utilizing an internal wastegate.

Typically we see 20 psi by 3600-3800 rpm tuning with the Hydra with pump gas power in the 375-400 whp range. Both housings are completely ported for increased flow and wastegate performance. Race gas power is in the 475-500whp range.
Expect to achieve full boost with the proper modifications and a quality tune between 3500-4000rpms. Fuel upgrades for this turbocharger and proper engine management are required.

The Element GT52 has been recently updated to increase internal wastegate performance.* Increased port work, larger wastegate port, and a larger wastegate valve has been utilized to ensure boost creep free performance.



Waist of money, that turbo is going to be holy laggggg! When you get it let me know, will show you that a smaller turbo is much better unless this car is a drag car! If anyone wants a ride I would love to show you how Fine Line set my car up. Not only how stock it looks but how it drives, the car drives amazing! I don't understand why you would want a 2,000 rpm power band, I guess we all have different goals! If I am right the FP is not BB? 2.5XTR is considered a GT28, a step up from a 20g! Go rotated if your going above a 30r, anything bigger then a 30r become laggy. That's my 2cents.......
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I bought the GT52 for my build and can't wait to see what it does. Hopefully in the next few weeks we'll find out.
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Originally Posted by NorCalPaintball
i'm running a blousch td05 16g xt 7cm and love it.

it's my dd, i didn't want/need high spool, wanted to keep it all low.

have 308awhp/302 tq. works great for me, but i don't have all that much experience with other turbos.

i've heard a lot of good things with the FP green though.
What other supporting mods do you have?

What type of dyno/software gave you those numbers?
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Originally Posted by SeaOfGreen
Waist of money, that turbo is going to be holy laggggg! When you get it let me know, will show you that a smaller turbo is much better unless this car is a drag car! If anyone wants a ride I would love to show you how Fine Line set my car up. Not only how stock it looks but how it drives, the car drives amazing! I don't understand why you would want a 2,000 rpm power band, I guess we all have different goals! If I am right the FP is not BB? 2.5XTR is considered a GT28, a step up from a 20g! Go rotated if your going above a 30r, anything bigger then a 30r become laggy. That's my 2cents.......
Cool, cool. I run a VF34 right now because I'm a fan of no lag with my EJ205 and now EJ207. So with my 2.0L I have to be extra carefull not to buy a turbo with any lag. GT35r even the 30r's

Talked to Ed about a turbo for my set up and he highly recommends this. I mean 20psi at what? 3600 rpm!! I see no lag in my furtue

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Let me know if and when you decide to sell that 20g, would be quite happy at that power level. Personally a fan of both the fp green and 2.5xtr should get you close to 400whp on E85. You decide if you are going to stay EWG?
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GT35...cmon' you know you don't want to look like a pansy. lol jk
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Originally Posted by SeaOfGreen
Waist of money, that turbo is going to be holy laggggg! When you get it let me know, will show you that a smaller turbo is much better unless this car is a drag car! If anyone wants a ride I would love to show you how Fine Line set my car up. Not only how stock it looks but how it drives, the car drives amazing! I don't understand why you would want a 2,000 rpm power band, I guess we all have different goals! If I am right the FP is not BB? 2.5XTR is considered a GT28, a step up from a 20g! Go rotated if your going above a 30r, anything bigger then a 30r become laggy. That's my 2cents.......
You DO realize that a 30r is a 52mm turbo, right? This is basically a stock location 30r similar to the Dom3 and ATP 3076r. The difference will be in the turbine. If they use a 7cm hotside it will spool quicker but choke up top. Most of the Dom3 and ATP3076r are using a 10cm hotside now with powerbands similar to the 30r.

The 30r has more of a 3k RPM powerband. Mine has usable power above 3000-3200 in 4th and 5th, but it surges in 5th or 6th if you mash it below 3600 or so.

NATION: It really depends how you will use the car. I love the 30r for a street car, but the power is not very usable. If you are going to make it to some trackdays then I would say something aronud the 30r or smaller would be good. If you are only driving a street car or AutoX, I suggest something smaller that will be a little more drivable.

In the end you should tell Ed how you want to use the car, and how you want it to drive. Remember, you can only have 2: reliable, fast, cheap

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