Tesla, not looking good for them
Tesla, not looking good for them
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Suing topgear, but really they are just making themselves look bad. Trying to argue they lied because the brakes could still be pushed down, but there was a blown fuse and they weren't operating correctly. Who argues semantics about brakes!!!!! These are your brakes for crying out loud, on a super car 100k+. Yeah thats going to draw in owners.
Suing topgear, but really they are just making themselves look bad. Trying to argue they lied because the brakes could still be pushed down, but there was a blown fuse and they weren't operating correctly. Who argues semantics about brakes!!!!! These are your brakes for crying out loud, on a super car 100k+. Yeah thats going to draw in owners.
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Suing topgear, but really they are just making themselves look bad. Trying to argue they lied because the brakes could still be pushed down, but there was a blown fuse and they weren't operating correctly. Who argues semantics about brakes!!!!! These are your brakes for crying out loud, on a super car 100k+. Yeah thats going to draw in owners.
Suing topgear, but really they are just making themselves look bad. Trying to argue they lied because the brakes could still be pushed down, but there was a blown fuse and they weren't operating correctly. Who argues semantics about brakes!!!!! These are your brakes for crying out loud, on a super car 100k+. Yeah thats going to draw in owners.
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I wouldn't consider it an enthusiast's car. And anyone on the waiting lists for a Tesla probably couldn't care less about what anyone else thinks of their new purchase.
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Tesla vs Top Gear: Executive Producer Andy Wilman speaks
Andy Wilman — Tesla vs Top Gear: Executive Producer Andy Wilman speaksAndy Wilman, the executive producer of Top Gear, shares his thoughts on Tesla Motors' recent lawsuit against the BBC's motoring show and how the electric automaker's blatantly using it as a PR strategy. —Ed.
You may know that Tesla has issued a writ against Top Gear for defamation and malicious falsehood over the road test that we broadcast of the Tesla Roadster in December 2008. The normal procedure for the BBC in a legal case is to acknowledge receipt of the other party's claim, and then say no more and get on with preparing its defence for court.
Tesla, however, doesn't seem content to wait for the legal eagles to settle matters. On the contrary, it's been very busy promoting its side of the argument through the media. Why even last night the Top Gear office accidentally received an email sent from a Public Relations firm to The One Show, asking if it would like to have the Tesla spokesperson on their programme to talk about the case. It says: "PHA Media represent Tesla and this could make for a fantastic interview." And the PHA man's not finished there. "The presenters could have some fun with this." He adds. "Matt and Alex could even take the Tesla for a spin and test it out, reaffirming its virtues?" Plenty of respect for editorial independence in that last line there and I wish the chaps from PHA Media all the best in their crusade.
However, back to Top Gear, and yes, normally we would follow the pre-legal etiquette of keeping schtum until we get our day in court, but since the other side are being quite noisy with their views on how we conduct ourselves, I just would like to point out one or two things to Top Gear viewers:
1. We never said that the Tesla's true range is only 55 miles, as opposed to their own claim of 211, or that it had actually ran out of charge. In the film our actual words were: "We calculated that on our track it would run out after 55 miles". The first point here is that the track is where we do our tests of sports cars and supercars, as has happened ever since Top Gear existed. This is where cars are driven fast and hard, and since Tesla calls its roadster "The Supercar. Redefined." it seemed pretty logical to us that the right test was a track test. The second point is that the figure of 55 miles came not from our heads, but from Tesla's boffins in California. They looked at the data from that car and calculated that, driven hard on our track, it would have a range of 55 miles.
2. We never said that the Tesla was completely immobilized as a result of the motor overheating. We said the car had "reduced power". This was true.
3. Tesla claims we were lying when we said the brakes were "broken". They now say that all that had happened was that the fuse to the vacuum pump had failed, which meant that the brake just had to be pushed down much harder than usual. Well – to my mind, if the brakes are broken, then they're broken, and if this happened to your car, you'd take it to the garage to get it fixed. Odd it seems so trivial to Tesla now, because on the day of filming they insisted on repairing the fuse before we could carry on driving the car.
The above points will be argued over in the near future by brainy people wearing wigs, but in a layman's nutshell, this is where we stand on the matter. Before I finish though, I must clear up one important issue: scripting. It's alleged by Tesla that on the day of filming one of their employees caught sight of a script that had been written, before the car had even been driven, already containing the verdict that in the "real world" the Tesla doesn't work. This, they say, proves our guilt, because we'd condemned the car in advance. May I just say in reply:
a) The truth is, Top Gear had already driven the car prior to filming, to enable us to form a view on it in advance
b) Our primary reasoning behind the verdict had nothing to do with how the Tesla performed; our conclusion was based primarily on the fact that it costs three times more than the petrol sports car upon which it's based, and it takes a long time to recharge; you can't use it as easily as a petrol sports car for the carefree motoring journeys that are a prerequisite of sports car driving. You can actually reach conclusions based on them without driving the car. As it happens, when it did come to the subjective area of how the car drove on the track, we were full of praise for its performance and handling
c) Just so you understand there's nothing devious going on, you need to know how this filming business works. When you film a car review, the reviewer is only the tip of the iceberg. Behind the lens is a film crew, and only a day's worth of light to shoot the eight minute film. This means we have to prepare in advance a treatment – a rough draft of a script so that the director and film crew can get to work right away, knowing what shots they will need to capture. It will contain the facts about a car, and what we think of its looks and so on, but how well the car actually drives is added on the day. If we've driven it ahead of filming, as we do with most cars, we will also have an idea how it feels to drive. But, and this is crucial, as we uncover fresh information about a car whilst filming it, it is entirely normal for the treatment to be modified as the day unfolds. Jeremy is always tweaking the scripts to reflect what his driving experience has actually been on the day.
There you go. I've said my bit, and now we'll hopefully shut up and prepare for our day in court.
Andy Wilman is the Executive Producer of Top Gear
Andy Wilman — Tesla vs Top Gear: Executive Producer Andy Wilman speaksAndy Wilman, the executive producer of Top Gear, shares his thoughts on Tesla Motors' recent lawsuit against the BBC's motoring show and how the electric automaker's blatantly using it as a PR strategy. —Ed.
You may know that Tesla has issued a writ against Top Gear for defamation and malicious falsehood over the road test that we broadcast of the Tesla Roadster in December 2008. The normal procedure for the BBC in a legal case is to acknowledge receipt of the other party's claim, and then say no more and get on with preparing its defence for court.
Tesla, however, doesn't seem content to wait for the legal eagles to settle matters. On the contrary, it's been very busy promoting its side of the argument through the media. Why even last night the Top Gear office accidentally received an email sent from a Public Relations firm to The One Show, asking if it would like to have the Tesla spokesperson on their programme to talk about the case. It says: "PHA Media represent Tesla and this could make for a fantastic interview." And the PHA man's not finished there. "The presenters could have some fun with this." He adds. "Matt and Alex could even take the Tesla for a spin and test it out, reaffirming its virtues?" Plenty of respect for editorial independence in that last line there and I wish the chaps from PHA Media all the best in their crusade.
However, back to Top Gear, and yes, normally we would follow the pre-legal etiquette of keeping schtum until we get our day in court, but since the other side are being quite noisy with their views on how we conduct ourselves, I just would like to point out one or two things to Top Gear viewers:
1. We never said that the Tesla's true range is only 55 miles, as opposed to their own claim of 211, or that it had actually ran out of charge. In the film our actual words were: "We calculated that on our track it would run out after 55 miles". The first point here is that the track is where we do our tests of sports cars and supercars, as has happened ever since Top Gear existed. This is where cars are driven fast and hard, and since Tesla calls its roadster "The Supercar. Redefined." it seemed pretty logical to us that the right test was a track test. The second point is that the figure of 55 miles came not from our heads, but from Tesla's boffins in California. They looked at the data from that car and calculated that, driven hard on our track, it would have a range of 55 miles.
2. We never said that the Tesla was completely immobilized as a result of the motor overheating. We said the car had "reduced power". This was true.
3. Tesla claims we were lying when we said the brakes were "broken". They now say that all that had happened was that the fuse to the vacuum pump had failed, which meant that the brake just had to be pushed down much harder than usual. Well – to my mind, if the brakes are broken, then they're broken, and if this happened to your car, you'd take it to the garage to get it fixed. Odd it seems so trivial to Tesla now, because on the day of filming they insisted on repairing the fuse before we could carry on driving the car.
The above points will be argued over in the near future by brainy people wearing wigs, but in a layman's nutshell, this is where we stand on the matter. Before I finish though, I must clear up one important issue: scripting. It's alleged by Tesla that on the day of filming one of their employees caught sight of a script that had been written, before the car had even been driven, already containing the verdict that in the "real world" the Tesla doesn't work. This, they say, proves our guilt, because we'd condemned the car in advance. May I just say in reply:
a) The truth is, Top Gear had already driven the car prior to filming, to enable us to form a view on it in advance
b) Our primary reasoning behind the verdict had nothing to do with how the Tesla performed; our conclusion was based primarily on the fact that it costs three times more than the petrol sports car upon which it's based, and it takes a long time to recharge; you can't use it as easily as a petrol sports car for the carefree motoring journeys that are a prerequisite of sports car driving. You can actually reach conclusions based on them without driving the car. As it happens, when it did come to the subjective area of how the car drove on the track, we were full of praise for its performance and handling
c) Just so you understand there's nothing devious going on, you need to know how this filming business works. When you film a car review, the reviewer is only the tip of the iceberg. Behind the lens is a film crew, and only a day's worth of light to shoot the eight minute film. This means we have to prepare in advance a treatment – a rough draft of a script so that the director and film crew can get to work right away, knowing what shots they will need to capture. It will contain the facts about a car, and what we think of its looks and so on, but how well the car actually drives is added on the day. If we've driven it ahead of filming, as we do with most cars, we will also have an idea how it feels to drive. But, and this is crucial, as we uncover fresh information about a car whilst filming it, it is entirely normal for the treatment to be modified as the day unfolds. Jeremy is always tweaking the scripts to reflect what his driving experience has actually been on the day.
There you go. I've said my bit, and now we'll hopefully shut up and prepare for our day in court.
Andy Wilman is the Executive Producer of Top Gear
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...647&type=autos
Suing topgear, but really they are just making themselves look bad. Trying to argue they lied because the brakes could still be pushed down, but there was a blown fuse and they weren't operating correctly. Who argues semantics about brakes!!!!! These are your brakes for crying out loud, on a super car 100k+. Yeah thats going to draw in owners.
Suing topgear, but really they are just making themselves look bad. Trying to argue they lied because the brakes could still be pushed down, but there was a blown fuse and they weren't operating correctly. Who argues semantics about brakes!!!!! These are your brakes for crying out loud, on a super car 100k+. Yeah thats going to draw in owners.
SO true.
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Tesla's are the ****! I wish I could afford one. I don't care who they sue or what the **** they company does as long as they keep making sick *** cars. I saw one in LA and the license plate said LOL OIL. I laughed pretty hard. My girlfriend didn't get it. I had to explain to her what a tesla is and how it works. Now she wants one and named her dog after it.
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lol coal
But with all seriousness, bad move for the company. For those who find out, it makes them look bad. And even worse is that they want to sue Top Gear so... I don't know what they're thinking.
But with all seriousness, bad move for the company. For those who find out, it makes them look bad. And even worse is that they want to sue Top Gear so... I don't know what they're thinking.
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Suing top gear 3 years after the fact IS weak sauce...
But If Top Gear went into the shoot looking to bad-mouth the car... well I could see Tesla being upset
Clarkson does seem to be doing what he can to badmouth an otherwise badass car. It MATCHED the Porsche GT3 around the track... that's HUGE
But If Top Gear went into the shoot looking to bad-mouth the car... well I could see Tesla being upset
Clarkson does seem to be doing what he can to badmouth an otherwise badass car. It MATCHED the Porsche GT3 around the track... that's HUGE
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Clarkson has also attacked Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Koenigsegg...and many more. The difference is that they were man enough to deal with the criticism. In the case of Koenigsegg, they even re-engineered the aerodynamics and sent the car back for another go.
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Clarkson has also attacked Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Koenigsegg...and many more. The difference is that they were man enough to deal with the criticism. In the case of Koenigsegg, they even re-engineered the aerodynamics and sent the car back for another go.
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the problem is that top gear DID lie, the car never ran out of charge and never had to be pushed, and they were forced to admit that. anything else they say about the fuses or brakes are also called into question once its already clear that theyve already lied
The most baffling thing is why they even felt the need to lie about it?? did they think it would be funny to ruin the reputation of an up and coming car company on the worlds biggest cars show just for what? the lulz??
Seriously that is just ****ing chicken **** right there.
The most baffling thing is why they even felt the need to lie about it?? did they think it would be funny to ruin the reputation of an up and coming car company on the worlds biggest cars show just for what? the lulz??
Seriously that is just ****ing chicken **** right there.
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He also said a lot of good things about the Tesla during the road and track test. He praised the performance and the handling.
Clarkson has also attacked Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Koenigsegg...and many more. The difference is that they were man enough to deal with the criticism. In the case of Koenigsegg, they even re-engineered the aerodynamics and sent the car back for another go.
Clarkson has also attacked Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Koenigsegg...and many more. The difference is that they were man enough to deal with the criticism. In the case of Koenigsegg, they even re-engineered the aerodynamics and sent the car back for another go.
Yeah, Im pretty sure Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, etc would have had quite a different feeling about it if they were at the track watching the testing their car then turned on the TV later to see them fake a break down and push their car into a shed!

Dont even tell me ferrari would have taken that lying down, and these are well established companies that have been around long enough and have a big enough following that it probably woulndt matter, what top gear did to tesla right when they were trying to break into the market was damn near evil. Sorry I love top gear but they have this one coming, should have happened as soon as it aired IMHO


