Talk me out of a Blouch 16G-XT-R
02-03-2014, 06:09 PM
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Why not just stay stock and save your money then? You will need a tune after swapping your turbo and without having the injectors to support the extra flow it just seems like a waste to me. For the money your going to pay for a 16gxt you could have a couple of spare stockers sitting on the shelf with extra money for other mods.
02-03-2014, 06:11 PM
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From my understanding the XTR should spool better than a 39 and flow a little better. Isn't a 39 around 450/475CFM? The 16g xtr is around 535?
Just going off my memory here so I could be wrong. And injector duty cycle would depend on the tune?
So my point is why would you go with a more expensive, larger, and slower spooling turbo without being able to take advantage of the additional power potential it would provide? Doesn't make too much sense to IMHO.
Also, I've seen a major lack of consistency from Blouch lately. Some turbos perform well, while others of the same model either spool extremely slowly and/or don't make power.
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02-03-2014, 08:00 PM
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Because he could pick up a low mileage VF43 or VF48 which do not tend to crack nearly as often as the VF39. He could also pick that turbo up for a fraction of the cost of the 16G-XT. Since he's not looking for more power and wants response, this is the cheapest and simplest option.
IDC depends on the tune, but ultimately it depends on the potential flow of the turbo, the max flow of the fuel system, and the safe a/f ratio range for the engine, setup, and fuel being used. Just about any "stage 2" STI with stock injectors is in the 95-97% IDC range unless you taper off a bunch of boost and power on the top end.
IDC depends on the tune, but ultimately it depends on the potential flow of the turbo, the max flow of the fuel system, and the safe a/f ratio range for the engine, setup, and fuel being used. Just about any "stage 2" STI with stock injectors is in the 95-97% IDC range unless you taper off a bunch of boost and power on the top end.
02-03-2014, 08:54 PM
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Ok - so this begs the next question: are people still doing the Injector mod or has that fallen from grace?
I'm seeing most side feeds for ~$600/set which I would obviously rather spend elsewhere on the car
I'm seeing most side feeds for ~$600/set which I would obviously rather spend elsewhere on the car
02-03-2014, 11:39 PM
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Ok - so this begs the next question: are people still doing the Injector mod or has that fallen from grace?
I'm seeing most side feeds for ~$600/set which I would obviously rather spend elsewhere on the car
I'm seeing most side feeds for ~$600/set which I would obviously rather spend elsewhere on the car
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02-04-2014, 07:03 AM
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I'll talk to Mike again and see if I should just buck-up and buy injectors (telling myself, trust your tuner).
I'm bleeding money all over this car again, so why not an extra $500 for a set of DW 740's <sigh>
Ed, I know your steering me the right direction... and I swear at some point I will actually buy something from you.
I'm bleeding money all over this car again, so why not an extra $500 for a set of DW 740's <sigh>
Ed, I know your steering me the right direction... and I swear at some point I will actually buy something from you.
02-04-2014, 09:23 AM
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I'll talk to Mike again and see if I should just buck-up and buy injectors (telling myself, trust your tuner).
I'm bleeding money all over this car again, so why not an extra $500 for a set of DW 740's <sigh>
Ed, I know your steering me the right direction... and I swear at some point I will actually buy something from you.
I'm bleeding money all over this car again, so why not an extra $500 for a set of DW 740's <sigh>
Ed, I know your steering me the right direction... and I swear at some point I will actually buy something from you.
02-04-2014, 10:42 AM
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In fact, you are the first to say you have not had problems in all the research I have done to date. That should tell you something...you got lucky.
02-04-2014, 11:09 AM
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Not direct because I am not willing to risk it. When you start looking around on the net and find 1 out of every 2 installs has problems, bad injectors, etc... its not WORTH the risk.
In fact, you are the first to say you have not had problems in all the research I have done to date. That should tell you something...you got lucky.
In fact, you are the first to say you have not had problems in all the research I have done to date. That should tell you something...you got lucky.
02-04-2014, 11:16 AM
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Just spent about 10 minutes looking at reviews for these injectors...
The 1000 cc injectors were pretty close to what overbear said. 50/50.
The 850's and under... for the most part pretty positive reviews.
I'm thinking that maybe Overbear's experience might be out dated? I know early on they were recycling used injectors to build from but for the last 4 or 5 years they've all been new denso cores. Far as I know.
I'd have zero issues running the 6's or 7's on my car. In fact... probably will. LOL!
I've read some good things about ID's and Power Enterprises for the E85 guys but I don't plan on needing anything over 650cc's.
The 1000 cc injectors were pretty close to what overbear said. 50/50.
The 850's and under... for the most part pretty positive reviews.
I'm thinking that maybe Overbear's experience might be out dated? I know early on they were recycling used injectors to build from but for the last 4 or 5 years they've all been new denso cores. Far as I know.
I'd have zero issues running the 6's or 7's on my car. In fact... probably will. LOL!
I've read some good things about ID's and Power Enterprises for the E85 guys but I don't plan on needing anything over 650cc's.
