talk about ****ty luck
Drugs are for losers. 
And we all know how easy it is to get a hold of a club card and a prescription. Not everyone who has it for medical purposes are actually using it for that said reason. Besides, if you're supposed to be using it as medication, what the hell would it be doing in the car? Flex your head.

And we all know how easy it is to get a hold of a club card and a prescription. Not everyone who has it for medical purposes are actually using it for that said reason. Besides, if you're supposed to be using it as medication, what the hell would it be doing in the car? Flex your head.
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Wow, coming from a guy that has Sierra Nevada bottles right under his name, it would seem as though your statement had a negative connotation. What is with people talking **** about "potheads" yet they go and brag about how wasted they got the weekend before?
oh and sorry for the OT, feel free to disregard
oh and sorry for the OT, feel free to disregard

well considdering iim 22 and my chiropractor said by the looks of my xrays he would guess i was 45-50, thats y i smoke, to help with pain managment, i go like 3 times a month to chiropractor appts for my ****ed up back, and i dont drink because i dont see the point? you cant go anywhere you cant go in public even if you do, whats the point?? people say weed is for losers, what about the 40 year old men on here that sit at home and drink alone? thats a loser if you ask me, drinking away sorrows, i love that people assume **** all the time, when realistically i have an actual reason for doing it, what could you even say is a reason to drink? its not even fun
well considdering iim 22 and my chiropractor said by the looks of my xrays he would guess i was 45-50, thats y i smoke, to help with pain managment, i go like 3 times a month to chiropractor appts for my ****ed up back, and i dont drink because i dont see the point? you cant go anywhere you cant go in public even if you do, whats the point?? people say weed is for losers, what about the 40 year old men on here that sit at home and drink alone? thats a loser if you ask me, drinking away sorrows, i love that people assume **** all the time, when realistically i have an actual reason for doing it, what could you even say is a reason to drink? its not even fun

And here's what I get from that middle section. Being irresponsible with your drinking can lead to dire consequences. Thats what you're getting at, correct? But isn't doing ANYTHING irresponsibly dangerous? Isn't that why its called irresponsibility?
what a shocker!My apologies for the long post, I figured I'd keep adding on to one rather than creating new posts over and over.
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BACKGROUND: The effects of marijuana or THC on driving has been tested in several studies, but usually not in conjunction with physiological and subjective responses and not in comparison to alcohol effects on all three types of measures.
OBJECTIVE: To assess the effects of two dosages of THC relative to alcohol on driving performance, physiological strain, and subjective feelings.
METHOD: We tested the subjective feelings and driving abilities after placebo, smoking two dosages of THC (13 mg and 17 mg), drinking (0.05% BAC) and 24 h after smoking the high dose THC cigarette, while monitoring physiological activity of the drugs by heart rate. Fourteen healthy students, all recreational marijuana users, participated in the study.
RESULTS: Both levels of THC cigarettes significantly affected the subjects in a dose-dependent manner. The moderate dose of alcohol and the low THC dose were equally detrimental to some of the driving abilities, with some differences between the two drugs. THC primarily caused elevation in physical effort and physical discomfort during the drive while alcohol tended to affect sleepiness level. After THC administration, subjects drove significantly slower than in the control condition, while after alcohol ingestion, subjects drove significantly faster than in the control condition. No THC effects were observed after 24 h on any of the measures.
Citation, because it is actually a peer reviewed article from a peer reviewed journal:
Ronen, Adi, et al. "Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol." Accident; Analysis And Prevention 40.3 (26 May 2008): 926-934. MEDLINE. EBSCO. [Library name], [City], [State abbreviation]. 5 Dec. 2008 <http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.mpc.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=cmedm&AN=18460360&site=e host-live>.
OBJECTIVE: To assess the effects of two dosages of THC relative to alcohol on driving performance, physiological strain, and subjective feelings.
METHOD: We tested the subjective feelings and driving abilities after placebo, smoking two dosages of THC (13 mg and 17 mg), drinking (0.05% BAC) and 24 h after smoking the high dose THC cigarette, while monitoring physiological activity of the drugs by heart rate. Fourteen healthy students, all recreational marijuana users, participated in the study.
RESULTS: Both levels of THC cigarettes significantly affected the subjects in a dose-dependent manner. The moderate dose of alcohol and the low THC dose were equally detrimental to some of the driving abilities, with some differences between the two drugs. THC primarily caused elevation in physical effort and physical discomfort during the drive while alcohol tended to affect sleepiness level. After THC administration, subjects drove significantly slower than in the control condition, while after alcohol ingestion, subjects drove significantly faster than in the control condition. No THC effects were observed after 24 h on any of the measures.
Citation, because it is actually a peer reviewed article from a peer reviewed journal:
Ronen, Adi, et al. "Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol." Accident; Analysis And Prevention 40.3 (26 May 2008): 926-934. MEDLINE. EBSCO. [Library name], [City], [State abbreviation]. 5 Dec. 2008 <http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.mpc.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=cmedm&AN=18460360&site=e host-live>.
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haha geez got a little time on your hands?
and i was actually there today studying for finals...
i got written up last year and the lady who taught my discipline class on weed/alcohol was a marijuana advocate herself...i love the ucsc spirit
and i was actually there today studying for finals...
i got written up last year and the lady who taught my discipline class on weed/alcohol was a marijuana advocate herself...i love the ucsc spirit
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Here's another study on weed and driving
MacDonald, Scott, et al. "Driving behavior under the influence of cannabis or cocaine." Traffic Injury Prevention 9.3 (2008): 190-194. MEDLINE. EBSCO. [Library name], [City], [State abbreviation]. 5 Dec. 2008 <http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.mpc.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=cmedm&AN=18570139&site=e host-live>.
it really isn't that hard to research peer reviewed articles, you should try it sometime
OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study is first to describe perceptions of driving under the influence of cannabis or cocaine among clients in treatment and, second, to assess whether these perceptions are related to the frequency of driving under the influence of cannabis or cocaine. METHODS: A questionnaire was administered to clients in treatment for abuse of either cocaine or cannabis, many of whom also had a problem with alcohol; additional groups of clients consisted of those in smoking cessation and gambling programs (N = 1021). Open-ended and close-ended questions were used to assess self-reported effects of cannabis or cocaine on driving and frequency of driving under the influence of cannabis, cocaine, or alcohol. RESULTS: Two dimensions of driving behavior under the influence of cocaine or cannabis were found in both qualitative and quantitative analyses: 1) physical effects and 2) reckless styles of driving. Common physical effects for both drugs were heightened nervousness, greater alertness, and poorer concentration. In terms of driving behavior, cautious or normal driving was commonly reported for cannabis, whereas reckless or reduced driving ability was frequently reported for cocaine. When comparing negative physical effects and reckless style of driving with frequency of driving under the influence of cannabis or cocaine, increased negative physical effects from cannabis were inversely related to frequency of driving under the influence of cannabis (p = .001), but other relationships were not significant. CONCLUSIONS: The findings indicate that both cannabis and cocaine have detrimental but different effects on driving. The negative physical effects of cannabis may reduce the likelihood of driving under the influence of cannabis.
it really isn't that hard to research peer reviewed articles, you should try it sometime


