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i read his suicide note at lunch... i think what he fails to realize is that there are many americans actually do realize that there is no such thing as freedom. however, i'd rather live in my false corrupt capitalist freedom than under socialism, communism, fascism, or idealism.
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its a giant wake up call.
i, for one, agree with his sentiments and actions, regardless of how 'questionable' some others might deem them.
there is no doubt that this nation needs actual change. the change that has happened in the past, has only occurred after many people have died (ie. Revolutionary War & Civic War to name 2 such examples). law making only helps those that write the laws, and those people sit on the highest seats. otherwise, you're just voting on a compromise that ultimately has no realistic impact on your day to day life.
in all honesty, i wish the guy had the ability to hit the main IRS building in DC. i think at that point, it would have had a bit more impact. but, the news and government agencies will spin this guy's story into him being crazy, a crackpot or similar - or they'll just bury the story if they can.
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We only have some idea what he went through before turning himself into a lawn dart.
The gov't needs a serious wake up call to remind them exactly who the boss(es) is/are.
Case in point: PRK just gave Propel ~70MILLION dollars of our money to open more E85 stations.
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I do not condone acts of violence until other methods of redress are used.
We only have some idea what he went through before turning himself into a lawn dart.
The gov't needs a serious wake up call to remind them exactly who the boss(es) is/are.
Case in point: PRK just gave Propel ~70MILLION dollars of our money to open more E85 stations.
We only have some idea what he went through before turning himself into a lawn dart.
The gov't needs a serious wake up call to remind them exactly who the boss(es) is/are.
Case in point: PRK just gave Propel ~70MILLION dollars of our money to open more E85 stations.
They were other ways to garner more attention and public support than martyrdom. There was nothing patriotic or honorable about what happened, which is why this will be forgotten. Committing murder suicide because you have tax issues is a chicken **** move.
Now that all is said and done, he is dead, others are injured, and more tax money will be spent cleaning up his last hooray. Mission accomplished?
his actions were not specifically about improving just his life.
its a giant wake up call.
i, for one, agree with his sentiments and actions, regardless of how 'questionable' some others might deem them.
there is no doubt that this nation needs actual change. the change that has happened in the past, has only occurred after many people have died (ie. Revolutionary War & Civic War to name 2 such examples). law making only helps those that write the laws, and those people sit on the highest seats. otherwise, you're just voting on a compromise that ultimately has no realistic impact on your day to day life.
in all honesty, i wish the guy had the ability to hit the main IRS building in DC. i think at that point, it would have had a bit more impact. but, the news and government agencies will spin this guy's story into him being crazy, a crackpot or similar - or they'll just bury the story if they can.
its a giant wake up call.
i, for one, agree with his sentiments and actions, regardless of how 'questionable' some others might deem them.
there is no doubt that this nation needs actual change. the change that has happened in the past, has only occurred after many people have died (ie. Revolutionary War & Civic War to name 2 such examples). law making only helps those that write the laws, and those people sit on the highest seats. otherwise, you're just voting on a compromise that ultimately has no realistic impact on your day to day life.
in all honesty, i wish the guy had the ability to hit the main IRS building in DC. i think at that point, it would have had a bit more impact. but, the news and government agencies will spin this guy's story into him being crazy, a crackpot or similar - or they'll just bury the story if they can.
Everyone seems to expect the world of everyone else and very little of themselves. Its doubtful this guy ever tried understanding the perspective of the IRS employee he seems to detest so much (disclosure: I am not a gov employee, never have been). He was just selfish and weak, he took the easy way out by taking his own life, and has the audacity to try and play martyr by attacking the IRS building in the process.
Its not the news or big gov making this guy look like a complete tool, its the way he went about trying to force change on his own, in some half assed psuedo-symbolic bulls**t way. I dont like the way my taxes are spent, I really dont like it, but there are other things in my life that are more important to me so I deal with it. If I get to the point when there's nothing in my life more important that the way my taxes are being spent then I'll have to re-evaluate the kind of person I am, and why it is I have ended up that way.
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i read his suicide note at lunch... i think what he fails to realize is that there are many americans actually do realize that there is no such thing as freedom. however, i'd rather live in my false corrupt capitalist freedom than under socialism, communism, fascism, or idealism.
I dont blame you for being so cynical, but did this guy really exhaust all avenues for change before taking such drastic action? If he had so much emotional investment in how government functions and the way public officials spend our tax money then he should have gotten more involved with the process. No one knows what you're thinking unless you speak your mind; and no one takes what you're saying seriously unless you also respect other peoples rights of expression, by speaking in a an established forum meant to facilitate civil discourse.
Everyone seems to expect the world of everyone else and very little of themselves. Its doubtful this guy ever tried understanding the perspective of the IRS employee he seems to detest so much (disclosure: I am not a gov employee, never have been). He was just selfish and weak, he took the easy way out by taking his own life, and has the audacity to try and play martyr by attacking the IRS building in the process.
Its not the news or big gov making this guy look like a complete tool, its the way he went about trying to force change on his own, in some half assed psuedo-symbolic bulls**t way. I dont like the way my taxes are spent, I really dont like it, but there are other things in my life that are more important to me so I deal with it. If I get to the point when there's nothing in my life more important that the way my taxes are being spent then I'll have to re-evaluate the kind of person I am, and why it is I have ended up that way.
Everyone seems to expect the world of everyone else and very little of themselves. Its doubtful this guy ever tried understanding the perspective of the IRS employee he seems to detest so much (disclosure: I am not a gov employee, never have been). He was just selfish and weak, he took the easy way out by taking his own life, and has the audacity to try and play martyr by attacking the IRS building in the process.
Its not the news or big gov making this guy look like a complete tool, its the way he went about trying to force change on his own, in some half assed psuedo-symbolic bulls**t way. I dont like the way my taxes are spent, I really dont like it, but there are other things in my life that are more important to me so I deal with it. If I get to the point when there's nothing in my life more important that the way my taxes are being spent then I'll have to re-evaluate the kind of person I am, and why it is I have ended up that way.
really, comparing the boston tea party to this?
please school yourself:
http://virtualology.com/virtualwarmu...-teaparty.com/
also, please note how sh*t really gets done: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/timeline.htm
please school yourself:
http://virtualology.com/virtualwarmu...-teaparty.com/
also, please note how sh*t really gets done: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/timeline.htm
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also, how many people on i-club have actually lived in a socialist nation or anything remotely similar?
the point is, if you have no experience living under a different government, you cannot comment on it, as you have no frame of reference and attempting to use the 'information' given to you via news media is a pathetic joke.
I think piloting a plane into a building is wrong. So wrong in fact, as of nine years ago the thought of doing so was unthinkable. You generally tried to avoid them. Since this trend seems to be catching on, can't we at least respect that killing innocents is just plain wrong.
If you've got a gripe with the IRS; pick a time during off work hours, on a hoiday or something and conduct your protests then.
You're certainly going to get your message across. Planes flying into buildings doesn't happen everyday... Try to avoid killing innocents. These people, just like you and I, probably didn't even know how bad he'd been screwed without warrant.
Like it or not, the camels back can't take more straw.
If you've got a gripe with the IRS; pick a time during off work hours, on a hoiday or something and conduct your protests then.
You're certainly going to get your message across. Planes flying into buildings doesn't happen everyday... Try to avoid killing innocents. These people, just like you and I, probably didn't even know how bad he'd been screwed without warrant.
Like it or not, the camels back can't take more straw.
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I find the Whiskey Rebellion a more suitable comparison.
The federal gov't has clearly demonstrated that it is willing to kill the citizenry for "lost" tax revenue.
Perhaps the pilot thought he was committing a pre-emptive strike against agents of tyranny?
By 1794 the Whiskey Rebellion had broken out into the open. Tax collectors who were sent to western Pennsylvania were routinely threatened and tarred and feathered, making it impossible to collect the whiskey tax from that area. In June of that year, local officials ordered the arrest of the leaders of the whiskey tax resistors. However, all this did was incite the farmers of western Pennsylvania to more violence. A month later, in July, the commander of the local militia, James McFarlane was shot and killed by federal troops defending a besieged tax official named John Neville. This enraged the local anti-tax settlers who went on to burn down the buildings belonging to Neville as he was hustled to safety by the federal troops.
Perhaps the pilot thought he was committing a pre-emptive strike against agents of tyranny?
really, comparing the boston tea party to this?
please school yourself:
http://virtualology.com/virtualwarmu...-teaparty.com/
also, please note how sh*t really gets done: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/timeline.htm
please school yourself:
http://virtualology.com/virtualwarmu...-teaparty.com/
also, please note how sh*t really gets done: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/timeline.htm
Not to mention that its pretty hard to disseminate exactly what kind of change you're actually proposing, especially by flying a plane into a building.
damn, that was my #420 post, what a waste, another one of life's little disappointments.
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I find the Whiskey Rebellion a more suitable comparison.
The federal gov't has clearly demonstrated that it is willing to kill the citizenry for "lost" tax revenue.
Perhaps the pilot thought he was committing a pre-emptive strike against agents of tyranny?
The federal gov't has clearly demonstrated that it is willing to kill the citizenry for "lost" tax revenue.
Perhaps the pilot thought he was committing a pre-emptive strike against agents of tyranny?
exactly my point, even the whiskey rebellion had organized leaders, with a specific purpose and a moral compass.
I'm also not going to defend the decisions of some military commander who chooses to open fire on its own citizens, there are obviously better ways to handle these types of situations. there are even more recent events, such as waaaco tx, also illustrating your point; janet reno should have been forced to resign for that debacle. point is, violence on either side is rarely justifiable.