The only RWD Subarus I remember were the 360 and it's different variants...

If Subaru wants to make a damn sports car, it better have AWD. Otherwise, they're both the same f***ing thing. Only difference is styling, and I see that as pointless rebadging.

I am NOT happy.

 

^ Like others have pointed out, rebadging isn't anything new. I'll wait and hold my judgment until I actually physically see the production models.

 

true, I really dont care about the crossbranding, but it better look better than this.
Im not into the whole 'frush' thing, but this is pretty damn hot

 

agreed I don't like that kind of styling, but I do like the Genesis and the warranty

 

So basically they would have to get the car back to the weight of the Bugeye WRX in a smaller car with only RWD and not AWD? I really don't see that being a problem to do. Heck, even the older Imprezas (2001 and prior) were less than 3000 lbs so that really should be an attainable goal for them even with the safety equipment in place.

 

Trust me when I say there is nothing sporty about a 3800+lb car. I was stepping way out of my own bounds by saying 3500, but I believe that is a more achievable goal these days.

Here's me gaining experience tossing a 3800+lb car around Sears Point last weekend:



Wicked fun, but in no way sporty and a 170hp, 2700lb RWD "sports car" would be a whole different ballgame. I felt like I was considerably "faster" on track with my old 2200lb car which had around 70hp maybe.

It's sad that this "must have loads of powaaaaaaah" mentality is carrying through. It would be way more fun out on the roads if people WOULD JUST LEARN TO DRIVE THEIR CARS. We don't need more powerful cars - we need better drivers. What is wrong with a Scion Tc's power to weight ratio? Well in short, nothing that a driver 20 years ago couldn't handle. Today's drivers though? Nope. Need power to make up for not knowing how to go around a bend.

Well.. We all know that a FWD Impreza is basically a gateway car to a 2.5RS.

The Genesis is pretty awesome, but I had no idea it was so heavy!! A guy here at work writes for magazines and had one for a couple weeks - it had Brembos and a 6spd and it looked sharp. Still, I would definitely check one out. I was really impressed, and the warranty cannot be ignored. A buddy bought a 2002 Hyundai Accident brand new for $7400 off the lot and just traded it in w/ 160k miles last week. All he did was oil changes and add gas and one set of tires. No timing belt, no nothing and the car never skipped a beat.

Anyway - I appreciate your comparisons but I really do not believe that the on-track experience between a 2.0T Genesis and a V6 Camaro would be remotely comparable. I do believe that a sub-200hp RWD car with sporting intentions and a sub-3k weight tab would be a total blast, and exactly what we need right now.

And... Churchkey tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes.

 

Turbo 6-MT would be nice but not anywhere close to 22k.

 

My first car was a VW jetta with a 2.0 inline 4 putting out what, 110? You'll forgive me for saying a 2.0 turbo is significantly more fun to drive, even without differences in speed. At the same time, how are you going to change the skill levels of every driver against the road? You're talking about changing the path of a river that hasn't ever moved. Also, are you going to talk to a group of WRX owners about the need for less power?

I just checked, they still make Miatas.

 

Oh dont get me wrong, Im not trying to make the case that light cars with moddest power are less fun than bigger cars with more power, just saying its going to be a hard sell in todays market, unfortunately most people dont feel the way you do

And just got home, sorry i missed you at churchkey, if Dani's working there tonite say hi! Hope shes wearing my favorite shirt

 

 

lol yeah this hadnt been mentioned yet, they start at $22K as well and are still only 2500lbs. think thats going to be a hard weight to get close to for the subayota

 

I'd probably buy one for a second car later down the road.

 

I really wish it was turbo'd...

 

lots of good info here. i got a good history lesson.

Jason how was the track day with the camero??

 

Might want to check on that weight again bud.. They have gotten fat unless I was looking at the specs of a folding hardtop version. Anyway, I think we can all put the semantics aside and admit that a Miata is not a particularly useful car, and this is coming from someone who owned two different MR2's over a period of years and daily drove them. One day I got sick of trying to cram crap into a teensy little car and got a larger one. It happens.

You are forgiven. BTW one of my favorite cars was a '91 Jetta GLi.

I have no intention or dream of changing the skill level of all drivers on the road. I was merely commenting on it. IMHO, people were better drivers when a "sports car" pulled off a 10 second 0-60. Please note that this does not imply that power or fast cars are bad.

Ooof you got me on the semantics again. Find me a Miata with a factory built, non folding, metal roof that is part of the vehicle's structure and includes a hatch in the rear to put stuff - then you've got a deal.

You are 100% correct sir.

Not tonight - Matt was behind the bar. They did the quiz though and "Team Mega Voltron Taco" took first for the worst!! Seriously we suck at trivia.

Who's Jason? Haha I get called that a lot. It was a ton of fun but I should make it clear that I am a really crappy driver! I had a load of fun and learned SOO much but yeah, I suck at driving.