I dont know if anyone has ever tried to get this location, probably not.

It is in Carnegie MX park out of Livermore. It probably climbs 1000 or 2000 feet. Ive been there a couple times and it is a true rally road, abrasive but smooth 1.5 car width, and natural dirt curbing and ditches.

It looks a little fast which would be a safety concern (Wahhhhh) but maybe someone knows someone who can tell someone about this so we dont have to drive up to Hoopa, which i've never done because its hella nor cal.

It would probably be a 2 minute run, has about 20 turns.
This is a CA state park so i dont know if thats an good or bad thing.
Its developed with signs, rangers, emergency crew access.
And we all know state parks have the best paving !

People with power let us get the ball rolling on this!


(link puts you at start of road by MX track, so scroll down the page and a little to the left)
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...00478&t=h&z=18

 

why don't you go and do a real hill climb like Hoopa?

http://www.subydude.com/video/video_...thillclimb.mov

 

That would be sick but its always been to far of a trek and other reasons.

Is Hoopa a private road? how come they can do it on Hoopa and nowhere else? seems like there has to be perfect legal conditions to make it work if its that far away, since there are awesome roads everywhere.

Paul Masson's Winery road is awesome, above Saratoga between HWY 9 and Stevens Creek Resevoir. Maybe that would work too, and have it end at an AutoX atop the big parking area!

 

Here's Paul Masson's http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...09559&t=k&z=17

but there would be no room for a grid area, and if we had one the neighbors would have their butlers complain about cars on the road lol
not getting mad at rich people, its just the truth

 

Why don't you ask the people who organize stuff first?

Yes we've looked into it, and doing anything "organized" at Carnegie gets expensive fast, they insist that you not only have a multi-million dollar insurance policy, but also that you have at least one ambulance with professional staffing on hand, dispatch them for anything and racing stops until they return, so two would probably really be in order. Given that its a good half hour or more from the nearest ambulance stations- a basic rallycross there didn't look feasible when we ran the numbers.

Doing a short "Rallysprint" (which is the category an unpaved hillclimb falls under) requires all of the above, plus full safety equipment for participants (roll cage, fire suits, H&N devices) which limits it to about 5 genuine potential participants in the greater bay area.

Not trying to be a Negative Nancy, just pointing out its not as original an idea as you might think it is...

For a hillclimb you need not only a good hill, but a good return road, and a local culture that appreciates the economic trade-offs of bringing revenue into town in exchange for closing a road.

There's a couple of entire series of hillclimbs in Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Washington, but closer to home- Hoopa and Virginia City are about the only places that seem to appreciate it.

 

So youre saying i should move to England... i'd love to.

yeah i didnt expect much out of it, but hoping a person in charge would see it. Oh well. I thought only Motocross guys would know about it, since its hard to see on GoogleEarth since it looks like another dirt "trail".

So what makes Hoopa so easy to do? small town population is the only thing i can think of.

A bay area event WOULD be more expensive, but driving to Hoopa is $100? thats wasted money that could be better spent.

 

Hoopa does it because there's nothing else going on there and the event has some history behind it.
But I'd lay money down that none of the people involved in organizing it will say its "easy to do".

here are a few others, but as you can see, towing to events winds up a big expense if you want to play that game;

http://www.nhahillclimb.org/08Schedule.html

Carnegie does host some motorcycle hillclimbs but they are huge events that run on several thousand-probably 10s of thousand dollar budgets.

We try putting on TSD's but nobody comes out for them, some of us try organizing really rally events, but we can't get enough volunteers or entrants.

Interest in motorsports in the USA seems to get all of the life sucked out of it by NASCRAP and SCCA, its really kind of too bad.

It really all does come down to money though, a couple of sugar daddies willing to spend a few million of their accumulated billions to kick-start hill-climbing and Rally in the USA could go a long way, but they all seem too interested in making more billions.

 

yeah lets throw some paddle tires on our cars and try to loop them up a hill haha.
Moto events are usually $50 anyways and they have like 500 entries in a day. So a car event would be $250 :/

 

IF you could find 100 cars willing to play....you could consider playing in that league, but do the math- that's a $25,000 event budget just on entry fees, and yes that will get you a couple of staffed ambulances for the weekend, and buy some trophies maybe some t-shirts for the volunteers, but it can get spent pretty fast

Rally starts looking cheaper at that level, but most west coast rally events rarely get more than 25-30 entrants.

 

So Nick- you coming to the meeting this weekend?

 

so say my dream came true, and Altamont raceway paved a crossover track in the land behind the pits lot...

what would be different about that event money wise? would we use their insurance? i dont even know how insurance works...is it something the car club carries around in their pocket to different events?

Or Sandhill ranch. I'll have to look into that, you might know whos trying to get that going, or you are probably helping that get thru.

(dont tell me "you didnt hear? Sandhill said no")

 

That depends on how you are doing it, is your event going to be sanctioned? (meaning run under someone's rule book) if so they will have some fee for sanction and insurance. If not, you can take the risk of running uninsured (if you can find a venue that will allow it.)

Most "real" car clubs (BMWCCA, PCA, etc. ) actually do have insurance plans that they "carry around with them" although premiums for specific events tend to be where a lot of your entry fees go.

NASA Rallysport has a flat fee for sanction and insurance for a rally, Rally America has a rather complicated sliding scale depending on number of entrants and number of stage miles, NASA's rate is considerably less for a Rallycross, where you also have SCCA as a sanctioning option.

How are you going to staff the event? have enough volunteers to do everything you need?

I've pretty much given up on doing Rallycrosses, too much cost and effort for too little seat time for me to stay interested, other people are still doing the Rallycrosses wherever they can, but getting venues is their biggest challenge.

I am organizing a ("real") Rally based out of Reno in June, and will probably do a couple of TSD's later in the year as well, we're always glad to get support both in terms of workers and participants.

If you aren't yet familiar with CRS, I'd suggets you spend some time digging through their web site;

http://www.californiarallyseries.com/home/index.aspx

 

Ok cool thanks for explaining that.

Last thing to bug you with is the Prairie City Kart Track. Has anyone ever tried to do an autoX on it?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...03648&t=k&z=18

or a weirder venue Malibu Grand Prix off 101? i dream about driving those courses every time i drive by.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...01824&t=k&z=19

 

For one thing, it's an indian reservation.

The road is a public road that they close down for most of the weekend. There are locals whose homes are on that stretch of road. The road is open to the public before 9 am and after 5 pm. Runs are done between those times, but is open to the public on every hour for about 15 minutes.

 

thats awesome, i never thought about the Indian Reservation variable.

Reservations have their own police i think. They should start making race tracks instead of casino's!