Okay, I'm pissed off. (Rant)
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Originally Posted by gh0st shad0w
Atleast he didn't call you an Oriental. I hate that ****ing ****! Brush it off man there are way too many a-holes in this world.
Yee yee, but the whole asian thing was the least of my problems. Cause I had to take it seriously even if he was "joking". Hospitals don't mess around with suicide. Too many liabilities if you don't take it seriously and document that stuff. Cause if the patient does mention suicide and does it but there's no documentation or preventative measure taken, you're held liable... That's my license right there...they can be pissed off for all I care I'm not losing a job cause of it... but there are many precautions that are taken after that....suicide watch...the person is within arms reach at all time, silverware, shoe laces and anything that can be used to improve the chances of success are taken away.
What a mess......
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
I've never understood the objection to the use of the term Oriental. What makes oriental worse than asian? Oriental is derived from the latin word Oriens which simply means the east, or far east (where the sun rises), because 'asia' is east of the 'westernized' world. Just as the opposite, Occidental or Occidio (where the sun sets), would describe those from the west. So how does a geographical description insult? If it's the Eurocentric complaint, well, frankly, too bad, we're in what is considerd a 'western' nation that primarily speaks latin based languages, namely English and Spanish. Should we take offense that the rest of the world, including asia, calls us the 'west'? I don't think so. You do realise that the word Asia is based in latin as well, right?
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Different Asian cultures also generally....do not get along.
My wife is Japanese, and the area we live in has a predominantly Korean populace.
The Korean women will mistake her for Korean and start talking to her, then when they find out that she is Japanese..their attitudes change to the point of "Not willing to **** on her if she was on fire..."
So there is alot of 'sore' spots between the different cultures of Asia. Generalizing them all as 'Oriental' is an insult and is disrespectful. It also shows that most people are too lazy to learn about the differences.
This is my opinion. Not based on anything other than my experience and dealings with various cultures while I lived in Japan for 10 years and visited areas such as Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines....etc, etc...
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Originally Posted by RedStage
Oriental is a generalization. Each area of Asia is different, has different culture, history, etc, and deserves the individual respect of not being lumped in one category.
Different Asian cultures also generally....do not get along.
My wife is Japanese, and the area we live in has a predominantly Korean populace.
The Korean women will mistake her for Korean and start talking to her, then when they find out that she is Japanese..their attitudes change to the point of "Not willing to **** on her if she was on fire..."
So there is alot of 'sore' spots between the different cultures of Asia. Generalizing them all as 'Oriental' is an insult and is disrespectful. It also shows that most people are too lazy to learn about the differences.
This is my opinion. Not based on anything other than my experience and dealings with various cultures while I lived in Japan for 10 years and visited areas such as Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines....etc, etc...
Different Asian cultures also generally....do not get along.
My wife is Japanese, and the area we live in has a predominantly Korean populace.
The Korean women will mistake her for Korean and start talking to her, then when they find out that she is Japanese..their attitudes change to the point of "Not willing to **** on her if she was on fire..."
So there is alot of 'sore' spots between the different cultures of Asia. Generalizing them all as 'Oriental' is an insult and is disrespectful. It also shows that most people are too lazy to learn about the differences.
This is my opinion. Not based on anything other than my experience and dealings with various cultures while I lived in Japan for 10 years and visited areas such as Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines....etc, etc...
Sorry to hear you got friction for just doing your job. Nothing like doing your best to help people just to have them complain.
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Originally Posted by RedStage
From my experience (live in JDM wife) She doesn't take too kindly to either 'Asian' or 'Oriental'
I just say "Can't we all just geet along?"
I just say "Can't we all just geet along?"
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by bassplayrr
I agree with Oriental being an over-generalization. But 'Asian' is as well, so why is it that so many people take offence of the use of Oriental and not Asian? That's what confuses me. Both terms describe a general geophical location and are latin based. Why the preferrence? It seems to me that both are better than a race genralization and both are about as close one can get to being PC. Sorry back on topic.
Sorry to hear you got friction for just doing your job. Nothing like doing your best to help people just to have them complain.
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Sorry to hear you got friction for just doing your job. Nothing like doing your best to help people just to have them complain.
-Chris
Originally Posted by bassplayrr
I agree with Oriental being an over-generalization. But 'Asian' is as well, so why is it that so many people take offence of the use of Oriental and not Asian? That's what confuses me. Both terms describe a general geophical location and are latin based. Why the preferrence? It seems to me that both are better than a race genralization and both are about as close one can get to being PC. Sorry back on topic.
Sorry to hear you got friction for just doing your job. Nothing like doing your best to help people just to have them complain.
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Sorry to hear you got friction for just doing your job. Nothing like doing your best to help people just to have them complain.
-Chris
I believe it has more to do with historical connotations of the word "Oriental". Despite the latin roots, "Oriental" conjures images of a backward society and culture that was ridiculed and mocked by the "Occidentals".
Such is the same with the word "Negro", which is simply the latin base for "black". So why is "black" okay and "Negro" a big NO-NO? Once again, historical connotations as to when the word was used.
Personally I could give a rat's *** if someone calls me Asian, Oriental, *****, gook, or whatever. It only displays their own ignorance.
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Originally Posted by stevenkhau
I believe it has more to do with historical connotations of the word "Oriental". Despite the latin roots, "Oriental" conjures images of a backward society and culture that was ridiculed and mocked by the "Occidentals".
Such is the same with the word "Negro", which is simply the latin base for "black". So why is "black" okay and "Negro" a big NO-NO? Once again, historical connotations as to when the word was used.
Personally I could give a rat's *** if someone calls me Asian, Oriental, *****, gook, or whatever. It only displays their own ignorance.
Such is the same with the word "Negro", which is simply the latin base for "black". So why is "black" okay and "Negro" a big NO-NO? Once again, historical connotations as to when the word was used.
Personally I could give a rat's *** if someone calls me Asian, Oriental, *****, gook, or whatever. It only displays their own ignorance.
Cool man, that makes the most sence to me. Good ol' racists ruining a perfectly good latin term. Just like how the gays took over names like Lance.
Old Simpson reference.-Chris
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Originally Posted by Khooda
Well, my day started off ****ty. I'm a Nurse...Murse at the VA Hospital in Palo Alto.
Being a Disabled Vet myself, I used to go to the Martinez hospital.
Now there's a ****ing joke of a hospital: Under staffed, over worked staff that treated me like ****.
Some of the stuff I was told:
"It can't possibly hurt."
"You're faking it."
"You just want money."
"I thought you white folks were tough."
"That's what you get for joining the Army."
Originally Posted by RedStage
Oriental is a generalization. Each area of Asia is different, has different culture, history, etc, and deserves the individual respect of not being lumped in one category.
Different Asian cultures also generally....do not get along.
My wife is Japanese, and the area we live in has a predominantly Korean populace.
The Korean women will mistake her for Korean and start talking to her, then when they find out that she is Japanese..their attitudes change to the point of "Not willing to **** on her if she was on fire..."
So there is alot of 'sore' spots between the different cultures of Asia. Generalizing them all as 'Oriental' is an insult and is disrespectful. It also shows that most people are too lazy to learn about the differences.
This is my opinion. Not based on anything other than my experience and dealings with various cultures while I lived in Japan for 10 years and visited areas such as Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines....etc, etc...
Different Asian cultures also generally....do not get along.
My wife is Japanese, and the area we live in has a predominantly Korean populace.
The Korean women will mistake her for Korean and start talking to her, then when they find out that she is Japanese..their attitudes change to the point of "Not willing to **** on her if she was on fire..."
So there is alot of 'sore' spots between the different cultures of Asia. Generalizing them all as 'Oriental' is an insult and is disrespectful. It also shows that most people are too lazy to learn about the differences.
This is my opinion. Not based on anything other than my experience and dealings with various cultures while I lived in Japan for 10 years and visited areas such as Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines....etc, etc...
I heard some talk on the radio about this a while ago, and I still don't get it. Seriously, that can be said about any cultural generalization like mine: caucasian or even white. There are many different people that fall under that descriptive term spread over many nations.
How about American - is that going to **** off 50 different kinds of people because each state is lumped into one descriptive term? Come on...
I am an average looking white person. I have taken racial crap for years growing up in Hawaii, and actually now here in the Bay Area. Just last Sunday I was called a "****ing white boy" by a knobjockey on a motorcycle. It would be pretty sad if that upset me. It would be horrific if it upset me because "how dare he call me white... I'm Irish/German from Hawaii!!!" From my experience, the people who get really caught up with stuff like this are quite racist. I mean, can't we all have self respect, respect for each other, and just get along? Why not - it would be simpler for everyone.
So we can't say Oriental (guess that was a bad time for Oriental Airlines) and now we can't say Asian? What can we say? Are we supposed to know everyone's nationality at a glance? I am in no way trying to be disrespectful, but do you see what I am saying here?
Thread content: I bet being a Nurse is like being an IT person for humans insead of computers. It shouldn't be so thankless - that is too bad. I will make it a point to listen carefully and show thanks if I am ever in a hospital again.