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Old May 6, 2013 | 11:19 AM
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IMO, Police do not carry ARs around with them. Pistols and shotgun. 54 rounds would be less than 2 magazines each assuming typical ~18+1. STILL a lot of rounds fired by them, but they definitely hit him more than a few times.
Menlo Park PD, San Mateo PD, Belmont PD, San Carlos PD ( Sheriff ) all have "AR-15 type" weapons in their cars. On the vertical rack next to the shotgun. Now I'm not saying every car has them, but the ones I have seen do.
Old May 6, 2013 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rau
Menlo Park PD, San Mateo PD, Belmont PD, San Carlos PD ( Sheriff ) all have "AR-15 type" weapons in their cars. On the vertical rack next to the shotgun. Now I'm not saying every car has them, but the ones I have seen do.
I am sure there are some that do, but I meant they don't typically get it out with them when they perform a traffic stop (unless they ran the plates and the guy is considered armed and dangerous, in which case they'd automatically call for backup IMO). Just like they wouldn't normally get out of the car with the shotgun. This was with pistols.
Old May 6, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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WHAT THE ****?! He kept screaming Kill Me!!!!1
Old May 6, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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Just goes to show how far training can go. That dude had an AK47... read AUTOMATIC assault riffle with a .762 cartridge.

Those things RIP through everything. Talking the only safe place MIGHT be behind the engine block.

Yet they were able to take him down with their field weapons.

Mind you... he had one hicap round loaded and 54 rounds from 2 weapons is 2 reloads for each officer.

That is flat out impressive. Stoked that they took that POS down. I think that dude must have just got done watch "the town" or something.






side note... this isht is happening across the country more than people are aware. My brother in law is fresno p.d. His partner and he passed a man on the road. Then they hear a shot fired. They had a feeling that it was the guy they just passed so they flipped around and went after him. After he hung his gun out the window shooting at my brother in law he pulled over and stopped. Following well trained protocol they rolled up on the dude and DID NOT shoot him. He put his hands out of the window and surrendered. When they pulled him out of the car he had a vest on and his entire front seat was full of guns and ammo.

His intention that day was to take out some cops. For some reason he changed his mind.

Suicide by cop has been happening and won't stop happening any time soon.
Old May 6, 2013 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 04GG
I am sure there are some that do, but I meant they don't typically get it out with them when they perform a traffic stop (unless they ran the plates and the guy is considered armed and dangerous, in which case they'd automatically call for backup IMO). Just like they wouldn't normally get out of the car with the shotgun. This was with pistols.
I never said they pulled it out. I stated that it's with them when you said they have shotguns and pistols only.
Old May 6, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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I never said they pulled it out. I stated that it's with them when you said they have shotguns and pistols only.
They also carry either an M4 or an AR in the trunk.
Old May 6, 2013 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rau
I never said they pulled it out. I stated that it's with them when you said they have shotguns and pistols only.
I wasn't aware that it was more common for the general LEO to roll with an AR, but that's only because of people like this nutjob. I figured some did, but not "most".

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They also carry either an M4 or an AR in the trunk.
That's what we were talking about already
Old May 6, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 04GG
I wasn't aware that it was more common for the general LEO to roll with an AR, but that's only because of people like this nutjob. I figured some did, but not "most".



That's what we were talking about already


Missed that. And yes, depending on the department it's pretty normal for all patrol vehicles to have one in the trunk. Even within the CHP.
Old May 6, 2013 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
Mind you... he had one hicap round loaded and 54 rounds from 2 weapons is 2 reloads for each officer.
1 mag swap if they have somewhere in the neighborhood of 18rd mags. You can kind of hear what sounds like the guy on the left swapping mags when he asks her if she's been hit, then he opens fire again. So if 18rd, that means presumably 18+1 emptied before the mag swap and another 18 for 37 if he emptied the second mag; plus however many the second officer fired. So 54 is definitely not out of the question. 3X 18rd mags = 54.

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Old May 6, 2013 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 04GG
1 mag swap if they have somewhere in the neighborhood of 18rd mags. You can kind of hear what sounds like the guy on the left swapping mags when he asks her if she's been hit, then he opens fire again. So if 18rd, that means presumably 18+1 emptied before the mag swap and another 18 for 37 if he emptied the second mag; plus however many the second officer fired. So 54 is definitely not out of the question.
werd... I was thinking 11 for some reason...
Old May 6, 2013 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
werd... I was thinking 11 for some reason...
Yup. LEO don't have the same 10rd limit we mere mortals do

Dude was doing spray and pray though. He didn't aim, because it could have only taken 2, so it is a good thing he didn't. I don't think that was a jam he had, I think he was staggered a bit when he got hit. Then when he switched to 1 hand, he fired a few more before they put him down. EFFING crazy that all that happened in literally like 30-40 seconds.

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Old May 6, 2013 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
Just goes to show how far training can go. That dude had an AK47... read AUTOMATIC assault riffle with a .762 cartridge.
You mean a .308" or 7.62mm cartriage? If was a .762" cartriage than it would be...what...a 20mm round?! (just messing with you)

I saw this on CNN this morning, I nearly choked on my coffee at the part where the guys gets out spraying lead. I say we need to ban tinted windows so cops can see what the suspect is doing...and definitely ban books so this can be prevented in the future (heavy sarcasm).

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Old May 6, 2013 | 01:33 PM
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Okay so enough about cops. What the hell do WE do in this type of situation??
Old May 6, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 04GG
Sad that things get to that point. Dude clearly had issues.
Yea his plans went out the door when he got pulled over for running a stop sign. What a dumb reason to get caught for, especially with all that gear and media inside the car....... I say good thing he was an idiot and got lit up here, instead of completing his goals and harming other people at a very unpredictable time in the future.
Old May 6, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Okay so enough about cops. What the hell do WE do in this type of situation??
Not much to do. Hunker down and throw the car into reverse. Try not to hit anything on your way out

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