+1. Thanks bro. If i had a reason to be pulled over like something undeniably wrong then yeah. Any smart officer who wanted to be a jerk would have told me the reason why i got pulled over was because of my tints. NO! They till me its bc of my plates on a newer car. The tint was an after thought and bonus they were able to hold over my head. Most people who have heard this says there was no probable cause on my end. No speeding or reckless driving no in appropriate music levels or suspesion of modifications (yet lol) i got pulled over bc of my plates and wanted to grill me on it. As if there arent other cars on the roads with plates. And not giving me a proper explination behind it leads me to believe other feelings were involved.

 

Driving a 10 year old vehicle without plates AND with tinted windows IS probable cause.


Sorry but I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars without plates. Hell with faded *** paper plates that you can tell didn't just get put on the car. They do it because they're driving without registration and usually without a license and without insurance. The chances of them getting pulled over with paper plates is less than them getting pulled over with a 3 year old sticker on the car... so paper plates it is.

Sorry but once again... I'd rather have a few people get annoyed and have more drivers NOT driving around illegally. You know... those ones that get in accidents and then run. Or if they can't run you're still screwed because they're not covered.

And in certain areas it's more common. In those areas the police are told to look for it in their morning meetings. In areas where it's not common... well... probably gonna get away with it longer.

Salinas. Oakland. Watsonville. Richmond. Etc. Places like that... way more likely you're gonna at least get checked out.

 

Im going to have to disagree. Again current crime trends. You have 90 days to get your plates.

The current criminal norm is to not put the plates on a vehicle so that the vehicle cannot be identified in the execution of a crime.

Does it suck that non criminal types are subject to a saftey check during this time yeah. Do people with dealer plates get pulled over alot in cities like Pleasanton, Livermore, Dublin, Aptos, Los Gatos. No probably not. This is a current crime trend in the San Leandro, Hayward, Oakland, UC and Fremont area.

Ha Ha super funny OMA posted almost the same thing I did while I was posting. (Eddited after reading OMA post)

Overbear I agree with most of what you are saying minus the all cops are aholes part. A LOE's job is to uphold the laws and codes within thier municipalities, but also do do this job without infringing on a persons constitutional rights it is a balance and I agree often times LEO's are not good at this balancing act.

 

Gotta love all of them....

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You might be right and you being black might have had something to do with it.

But more than likely it was this.

1. Your car is 10 years old and had dealer plates on it.
2. Your windows are tinted.
3. The officer was in training. It's an easy stop and a way for the charge officer to watch how the officer handles a traffic stop.
4. Because it's a new cop in that situation with another officer watching what he's doing he is forced to follow the letter of the law. No gray. You get tickets on 2 legit charges.


I wasn't there. I'm not saying you were handled correctly or with your due respect. For all I know those 2 guys belong to the local chapter of the KKK. All I'm saying is that it's very easy to throw racism out there and it's very rarely the case.

If you feel slighted... you have the officers badge number. File a complaint. Eventually if it turns out to be an issue with this officer your complaint along with others will aid in them being discipline or dismissed. Maybe. LOL!

 

LOL! I just finished posting. Then I read this one and went... hey that sounds like what I just posted. Then I saw you mention your post sounding like mine. LOL!

 

"did we just become best friends?"

For those that dont get the movie reference it is from Step Brothers.

 

"Told to look for it" is not probable cause.
"it happens more in this area" is not probable cause

they must have "reasonable cause" to believe a crime is being committed before they can just pull you over. The weight for this cause, is would a "average person" feel its a sign of a crime. Do you think a crime is happening every time you see a paper plate? I sure as hell don't and I am willing to bet 99% of the people on I-club would agree with me on that one.

It is the LEO overstepping their powers, and abusing the oath they took. The more people "just accept it in the name of safety" the more rights we lose.


"Freedom of speech is a principal pillar of a free government; when this support is taken away, the constitution of a free society is dissolved, and tyranny is erected on its ruins. Republics and limited monarchies derive their strength and vigor from a popular examination into the action of the magistrates." - Benjamin Franklin

Who will protect the public when the police violate the law?— Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General (b. 1927)

Think on that for a time, it answers a lot of how I personally view LEO.

 

Can you please point me in the direction of Constitutional language that guarantees my right to operate a moving vehicle without any infringements? Because all this time I thought driving a car, especially in People's Republic of Commifornia, is a privilege and luxury.

 

Ok I thought about it for a moment and found this

In Delaware v. Prouse, 440 U.S. 648 (1979), the United States Supreme Court ruled that the police stopping vehicles for no reason other than to check the drivers' licenses and registrations was unconstitutional.

Lex I was typing this when you posted, Here you go.

Your argument sir is valid.

I just have alot of respect for what LEO's do. Its a tough job. I agree there are some bad apples in any organization. My issue is with you stereotyping all LEO's based on these bad apples. You sir have the right to do whatever you want so im not going to change your mind. Does it mean we cant be forum friends I dont think so. I would still love to share a cigar with you one day.

 

You do realize terms like "reasoble", "average", "probable", "agree with me" etc etc etc are extremly subjective? I am not going to argue your opinion on LEOs...that's your personal right, so whatever spools your turbo.

However, do you think it is really the best time and place to argue such things pulled over on the side of the road with a beat cop? Instead of a judge in a court room with proper legal represntation?

There is a time and place for everything. You need to pick your battles to win the war.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Yeah good argument but MOST Supreme Court rulings have determined an automobile to be a relatively public place. At this point im just poking the "Overbear" as a devils advocate.

This is turning into more of a the current regime in washington is making our major civil rights dissapear before our eyes without complaint from the sheep while granting small civil liberties to people like LBGT conversation.

Cops are good eeeemmmkay its the federalies you gotta watch out for LOL

 

Huh Thank you pointing that out; however, that still states "no reason other". There are still pelthora of moving traffic and vehicle code laws to consider before you get to that part ("any infringements" part of my question). That's the grey area the OP has to deal with, I wasn't there, so I can't issue a judgement. I probably could have phrased my question better...and I will make a note to catch up on my rullings regardless.

 

You beat me to it...my reply was going to be along those lines. Including the latter one about messing with "Overbear". This was some good reading and entertainment this morning