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Old May 31, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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The HP curve looks like mine. Didn't you pull some timing in that range as well?
Old May 31, 2006 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning

As far as the big MAF, its completely useless on a WRX. The ECU can't reference flow rates beyond 300 which occures at about 4.7v with the stock MAF housing. So there's no point in scaling the voltage down since the ECU can't map a higher flow rate to it anyway.

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interesting, so your saying if your running volume XXX through the stock maf and hitting 4 volts, and switch to a big enough maf that allows 200% more air to pass through and still read 4 volts and scale the injectors to it, that it wont work? hows that possible? How else is the ECU detecting he actual amount of air getting into the car??
Old May 31, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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WTF? a tech conversation in the baic? holy smokes.
Old May 31, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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lookit that torque curve!

would love to trade you, but I dont think your turbo is your problem!
Now add a meth kit and a wastegate helper spring

A guy I talk alot with on another board. Stock static-x wrapped vf39, cooling mist stage 2 kit running 50/50 meth/water, intake,TBE and a tune. His protuned numbers are there as well. Obviously their dyno reads a bit higher than the gruppe-s hearbreaker, but look at the delta! Especially on the torque. A huge jump and a wicked shift to the left

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Old May 31, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Krinkov
interesting, so your saying if your running volume XXX through the stock maf and hitting 4 volts, and switch to a big enough maf that allows 200% more air to pass through and still read 4 volts and scale the injectors to it, that it wont work? hows that possible? How else is the ECU detecting he actual amount of air getting into the car??
That's not quite what I'm saying. Remember the stock MAF sensor maxxes out at 5v. Now say you're flowing 300g/s through the stock MAF housing and hitting 4.9v. This means you can't flow any more air and still get an accurate measurment through the sensor. On an STI you add a bigger MAF housing and re-scale the intake calibration appropriately. Now you will be flowing the same 300g/s but at a lower voltage... 4.4v for example. With this housing and scaling, you could flow more air and still stay withing the 5v limit of the sensor. So lets say with the new scaling you can flow 500g/s which would register close to 5v. This is good and fine on the STI ECU because it can reference flow all the way up to 500g/s. The problem with the WRX ECU is that it won't take any flow values above 300g/s. So if you install a big MAF housing and re-calibrate the intake map, you will be hitting the maximum 300g/s at around 4.4v. But since the ECU only registers a maximum of 300g/s, the voltage range you gained with the big MAF becomes useless. Once you hit 300g/s, the rest of the intake scaling map becomes flat, with 300g/s from 4.4v all the way to 5v. This obviously is not a limitation of the sensor because it can in fact go to 5v, but the ECU simply can't use any flow rate above 300g/s.

I know this is a bit confusing, so let me know if I can clear anything up better.

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Old May 31, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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would a hydra solve that problem?
Old May 31, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
That's not quite what I'm saying. Remember the stock MAF sensor maxxes out at 5v. Now say you're flowing 300g/s through the stock MAF housing and hitting 4.9v. This means you can't flow any more air and still get an accurate measurment through the sensor. On an STI you add a bigger MAF housing and re-scale the intake calibration appropriately. Now you will be flowing the same 300g/s but at a lower voltage... 4.4v for example. With this housing and scaling, you could flow more air and still stay withing the 5v limit of the sensor. So lets say with the new scaling you can flow 500g/s which would register close to 5v. This is good and fine on the STI ECU because it can reference flow all the way up to 500g/s. The problem with the WRX ECU is that it won't take any flow values above 300g/s. So if you install a big MAF housing and re-calibrate the intake map, you will be hitting the maximum 300g/s at around 4.4v. But since the ECU only registers a maximum of 300g/s, the voltage range you gained with the big MAF becomes useless. Once you hit 300g/s, the rest of the intake scaling map becomes flat, with 300g/s from 4.4v all the way to 5v. This obviously is not a limitation of the sensor because it can in fact go to 5v, but the ECU simply can't use any flow rate above 300g/s.

I know this is a bit confusing, so let me know if I can clear anything up better.

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nope, gotcha
Old May 31, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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would a hydra solve that problem?
to my understanding, yes it would. My options right now are to go Hydra, or swap an STI ecu in.

I've been having issues w/ my MAF sensor the whole life of my car though - I was talking to a Subaru mechanic who said a problem with running reflashes is the reliance of the Subaru engine management on the sensor reading and if the sensor goes bad, bad things happen. So I'm probably leaning towards going blow through.
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would a hydra solve that problem?
Yes, since the hydra doesn't even use a MAF sensor you could certainly run a lot more power on it without having to worry about this limitation.
Old May 31, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ucbsti
Now add a meth kit and a wastegate helper spring

A guy I talk alot with on another board. Stock static-x wrapped vf39, cooling mist stage 2 kit running 50/50 meth/water, intake,TBE and a tune. His protuned numbers are there as well. Obviously their dyno reads a bit higher than the gruppe-s hearbreaker, but look at the delta! Especially on the torque. A huge jump and a wicked shift to the left
You're talkin about iwsti? Is this guy running a TMIC with the alky? If so can you give me his handle, I'd like to talk to him.
Old May 31, 2006 | 10:33 PM
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yeah, hes on iwsti and honda-tech. He's running the stock TMIC

xrocket21 on both boards
Old Jun 1, 2006 | 06:15 AM
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lets all make bets!
1375 hours is my bet.

very nice find my brotha.

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Old Jun 1, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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speaking of ebay stuff I'm really tempted to try http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-06...6024QQtcZphoto

Looks kinda like the Blitz core. Slap that on... tap a little line for that alcohol injection...
Old Jul 4, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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i made 323whp and 342wtq on stock vf39 on 93oct.
Old Jul 4, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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i made 323whp and 342wtq on stock vf39 on 93oct.
what dyno was this on? sounds like a dynojet/dynapac. Got a graph?



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