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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 07:45 PM
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But Fox News and MSNBC are a much better source of information than say...CNN, or CBS, or ABC, NBC, BBC, Reuters, AP...you name it...all of the stories from the affornamed bureaus is horribley touchy feely bleeding heart stuff.

There is WAY too much liberal bias in the global media.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 07:52 PM
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So Gagan, how do you feel about Bush giving our 17 BILLION in tax dollars to the idiots in Africa? Just so they can waste in corruptively? I would rather give my hard earned tax dollars to Isreal...if I had to give them to anyone.

I am not a republican...but I am a serious fiscal conservative...and socially consertive as well.

Bill O'rielly...I don't think so. That dude is all about himself...I have never seen anybody pat themself of the back as much as that dude does. I would rather be listening to Mike Savage!
17 billion is peanuts; we give more in military aid to israel than all the aid to the entire continent of africa.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by BADWRX
But Fox News and MSNBC are a much better source of information than say...CNN, or CBS, or ABC, NBC, BBC, Reuters, AP...you name it...all of the stories from the affornamed bureaus is horribley touchy feely bleeding heart stuff.

There is WAY too much liberal bias in the global media.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 08:18 PM
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I love the us for the simple fact that we allow some many idiots to live here.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by BADWRX
But Fox News and MSNBC are a much better source of information than say...CNN, or CBS, or ABC, NBC, BBC, Reuters, AP...you name it...all of the stories from the affornamed bureaus is horribley touchy feely bleeding heart stuff.

There is WAY too much liberal bias in the global media.
You got to be kidding me. I used to not have cable and the fox news channel was one of the few channels I could get. I would watch it in the morning to see what was going on in the world(I don't like reading on the internet)and everytime on of their right-winged talk shows would come on I wanted to throw something at my tv.


All though I did enjoy checking out some of their newsbabes. Jennifer Eccelston...Yumm.:banana:
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 08:48 PM
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17 billion is peanuts; we give more in military aid to israel than all the aid to the entire continent of africa.
And for that I am thankful.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 08:52 PM
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17 billion is peanuts; we give more in military aid to israel than all the aid to the entire continent of africa.
Amen. Injustice sorely needs perspective. Chevron is currently ruining the Nigerian economy. Hardly anyone knows... even less care. Where's American dollars just to help people just eek out an existance in Nigeria?

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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 08:54 PM
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And for that I am thankful.
Why? Are Afrcans less important than the descendents of European Jews?

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Originally posted by BADWRX
So Gagan, how do you feel about Bush giving our 17 BILLION in tax dollars to the idiots in Africa? Just so they can waste in corruptively? I would rather give my hard earned tax dollars to Isreal...if I had to give them to anyone.
Israel is the last place I want my tax money to go, hell even North Korea is a better place to send it(no Im not serious but you get my point)
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:26 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, there is a land called Palestine, its called Jordan, and if that doesn't suffice, I hear they can find land if they just march into the mediterranean sea!!!

Seriously though, the Israeli people were kicked out of Canaan long ago, by the philistines, the romans, you name it, hence the Diaspora. They came back to take their land, after the Holocaust.

The British Empire was powerless to prevent the Jews from re-taking their land, and so began the nation of Israel.

The Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, on several attempts to try to prevent the creation of the jewish nation. On every attempt, the determined israelis remained united against the dissorganized arab armies.

Long Live Israel
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by dahveed
Contrary to popular belief, there is a land called Palestine, its called Jordan, and if that doesn't suffice, I hear they can find land if they just march into the mediterranean sea!!!

Seriously though, the Israeli people were kicked out of Canaan long ago, by the philistines, the romans, you name it, hence the Diaspora. They came back to take their land, after the Holocaust.

The British Empire was powerless to prevent the Jews from re-taking their land, and so began the nation of Israel.

The Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, on several attempts to try to prevent the creation of the jewish nation. On every attempt, the determined israelis remained united against the dissorganized arab armies.

Long Live Israel

I hope that 1 billion Native Americans bomb the hell out of the United States, and take back what is theirs. Then, they can force the US citizens to live in Canada, or march into the pacific ocean.

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Originally posted by mmboost
Why? Are Afrcans less important than the descendents of European Jews?

jason
ZING.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:13 PM
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I hope that 1 billion Native Americans bomb the hell out of the United States, and take back what is theirs. Then, they can force the US citizens to live in Canada, or march into the pacific ocean.

:banana:
Good point. Although we(the world) should be past the whole divide and conquer thing. For the most part we are.
This is one of the reasons I support Israel. That and they have some hot wimmenz. :banana:

p.s. Do you work nights or the opposite? It looks like you always post late at night.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by dahveed
Contrary to popular belief, there is a land called Palestine, its called Jordan, and if that doesn't suffice, I hear they can find land if they just march into the mediterranean sea!!!
You should learn your history. The land we call Israel was called Palestine by the Roman and for most parts ofe history afterwards was technically part of what we call Syria today, whoever owned it at the time, be it the Persians, Ottomans or British, save for short periods where parts were taken over by European Crusaders.

The modern state of Jordan was part of the former Transjordan, which comprised the modern Jordan and Israel, give or take a few pieces parts.


Seriously though, the Israeli people were kicked out of Canaan long ago, by the philistines, the romans, you name it, hence the Diaspora. They came back to take their land, after the Holocaust.
The People Israel were never kicked out by the Philistines.


The British Empire was powerless to prevent the Jews from re-taking their land, and so began the nation of Israel.
That this is incorrect is easily supported by everything from newspapers to the records of the UN.

The creation of the State of Israel was a process started by the British for a myriad of reasons. It was the British, specifically Arthur James Balfour, British Foriegn Secretary, who wrote the Balfour Declaration which began the process to create a Jewish and an Arab state within the then-Palestine.

Of the many reasons, were having a basically European presence maintained in the MidEast where the extent of oil fields was recently realized. Also, for some it was thought that they could further New Testament eschatology through the (re)creation of Israel. It was also part of agreements with prominent Jewish scientists of Britian who contributed to the Allied victory.



Long Live Israel
Maybe. Maybe not.

You also did not point out that the cycle of violence was sparked by British mishandling, but really carried out by Jewish gangs... like the Haganah, run by none other than folks like Mechanam Begin and David Ben Gurion (who later became Prime Ministers of Israel). Gangs like the Haganah were bombing British police stations and terrorizing Arabs off of recently jewish-purchased land that they had lived on for centuries.

Its not wrong to buy land and take ownership of it. But what about compassion? What about remebering what it was to be a slave? What about every time you symbolically open your door to the poor and needy on Passover, must it only be symbolic? What it was to be persecuted throughout Europe for 2000 years? Arabs and Jews lives find together for thousands of years... until white europeans who called themselves Jews showed up in the 1850s and began to purchase land and develop. Dont get me wrong its a great idea! Except, they did it at the expense of people who were already there. Sounds a lot like white europeans and native americans.

If Israel would restore the dignity of the Arabs who live within their borders, obeying the commands of the God who gave them rights to the land in the first place, the hate and violence will end.

jason

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