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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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If only people who truly needed marijuana as a medication recieved it under prop 215 then I dont have a problem with it. For example terminally ill/chronic long term pain sufferers that can't and/or shouldn't be taking narcotic painkillers, AKA people like Jeff Conaway. But seeing as nearly every stoner I know is trying to/has gotten a marijuana club card and can get weed for "headaches" prescribed by a doctor as such....then I cannot accept that marijuana is legal.

After working in drug rehab for 9 years, and seeing how recreational use of weed leads to more than it just being 'a hobby' way over half the time amongst users, I can tell you flatout that weed is addictive & thus a drug.

I count alcohol as a drug too, hence why I don't touch any of that crap. There's a reason I look 10 years younger than people my age, and it ain't due to good genes.

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Weed is not addictive, if people mentally think they need it, that is something in them making them think they need it. Marijuana is not a physically addictive substance.
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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Old Apr 24, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Lboogie
If only people who truly needed marijuana as a medication recieved it under prop 215 then I dont have a problem with it. For example terminally ill/chronic long term pain sufferers that can't and/or shouldn't be taking narcotic painkillers, AKA people like Jeff Conaway. But seeing as nearly every stoner I know is trying to/has gotten a marijuana club card and can get weed for "headaches" prescribed by a doctor as such....then I cannot accept that marijuana is legal.

After working in drug rehab for 9 years, and seeing how recreational use of weed leads to more than it just being 'a hobby' way over half the time amongst users, I can tell you flatout that weed is addictive & thus a drug.

I count alcohol as a drug too, hence why I don't touch any of that crap. There's a reason I look 10 years younger than people my age, and it ain't due to good genes.

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P.S. - Hitler sucks too but at least he was a snappy dresser and liked to dance.
Wow. It's too bad there are still people that think this way.

Yes there are definitely people that abuse prop 215 and that SUCKS for the people who really benefit from it, but I mean - have you ever heard of people abusing other prescription drugs? I sure have, and a lot of those are ACTUALLY harmful and can cause people to be dangerous. Of all the times I have been offered prescription drugs, I have not taken them because of how vicodin made me feel when I had a minor surgery. Why anyone would take vicodin and drive a car is beyond me, but it happens. Why anyone would drink some alcohol, then take some vicodin and then drive I cannot figure out but I have heard of that happening too. I view those as bad choices rather than look for some in-animate object to blame some jackass's actions on................ but then that's me.

Here's a fact: recreational use of "weed" does absolutely NOT lead to more. It's not a "do x and y happens" sort of thing which, I know, is obvious. It would be that person's choice to move to bigger and crazy things, and in pretty much every case this has a direct relation to that person's life situation and such. You could just as easily say drinking alcohol leads to worse things but that would kind of sound stupid and obvious too huh?

All of this is around people's ability to control their lives, not about a "bad substance." If you are going to pick a substance to call bad, why not try one that has actually been linked to people's deaths? Like say alcohol or tobacco.

At the same time - that BS about Hitler is supposed to be funny? Praise the pharaohs that you are not a person in charge of any decisions that would affect the rest of us.

I am in no way saying you should roll up a fatty and blaze away. I am saying that you can look at the situation objectively, try to forget you ever saw "Reefer Madness" and move on. Even if marijuana was legalized, the worst that would happen is 1) people who sell it would have to get real jorbs, 2) there would be a lot of chubbier people and 3) snack sales would skyrocket. It should be treated like alcohol as one should not drive or anything on it, but - look at America's history with drug use - it's been a recurring cycle: Stage 1: "it's amazing, it saves lives/cures pain, we should put it on our baby's teeth!" Stage 2: People abuse the hell out of it and flat out go nuts - picture dog in a room full of porterhouses... Stage 3: It is deemed evil, bad and outlawed. Suddenly it becomes expensive and a market is born.

All things in moderation... I have a couple "stoner friends" and they are respectable, employed, successful and good natured people.
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Not everyone is an addict, and I'm not calling anyone here an addict because I dont know y'all from adam (carolllllaaaaaaaa).

But yes-weed-is-an-addicting-substance. Of the THOUSANDS of teenage boys and girls I saw in nearly a decade of serving the Nor*Cal community working at the rehab program, it was easily a 50/50 split between weed and alcohol as what the "gateway" substances are. Mine was beer, and I've had the self control to never use a drug (legal/prescripion or illegal) in almost 30 years of life. YES meth is a bigger scourge in its unpredictably dangerous reaction amongst its users, but there doesnt have to be outright danger to qualify as "negative".

I've seen the good families, I've seen the crappy families, I've seen the addicts, I've seen the squares. I've seen people try drugs for the first time, and I've seen people detox in front of me. I-Have-Seen-It-All... except I never saw "Reefer Madness" , because its obsolete propaganda...not real life.

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Old Apr 25, 2008 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Lboogie
Not everyone is an addict, and I'm not calling anyone here an addict because I dont know y'all from adam (carolllllaaaaaaaa).

But yes-weed-is-an-addicting-substance. Of the THOUSANDS of teenage boys and girls I saw in nearly a decade of serving the Nor*Cal community working at the rehab program, it was easily a 50/50 split between weed and alcohol as what the "gateway" substances are. Mine was beer, and I've had the self control to never use a drug (legal/prescripion or illegal) in almost 30 years of life. YES meth is a bigger scourge in its unpredictably dangerous reaction amongst its users, but there doesnt have to be outright danger to qualify as "negative".

I've seen the good families, I've seen the crappy families, I've seen the addicts, I've seen the squares. I've seen people try drugs for the first time, and I've seen people detox in front of me. I-Have-Seen-It-All... except I never saw "Reefer Madness" , because its obsolete propaganda...not real life.
Ahhhhhhh it's all so clear now. "Mine was beer" and the serving at the rehab, etc. Sounds like you are one of those people who overdid it, got busted, and now, you are going the other direction and want everyone else to also.

Most of your comments here and in the message before you edited it, for me, negate anything you could possibly say on this subject. The very idea that you would mention meth in categorical comparison to marijuana shows you have no idea what you are talking about, regardless of what you have seen and BS you have been fed. Nobody gets a knife in the back at an ATM or beaten by a crazed fiend for a sack of weed. Your body doesn't deteriorate and slowly die from smoking weed. You wouldn't do ANYTHING for your next joint. Shoot, my mother was killed by a drunk driver but I have never even heard of someone getting hurt because of or as a result of using marijuana.

Cheers and congrats for not having had any sugar, caffeine, aspirin, ibuprofen, alcohol or weed in almost 30 years. It's amazing you are alive.
Old Apr 25, 2008 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lboogie
Not everyone is an addict, and I'm not calling anyone here an addict because I dont know y'all from adam (carolllllaaaaaaaa).

But yes-weed-is-an-addicting-substance. Of the THOUSANDS of teenage boys and girls I saw in nearly a decade of serving the Nor*Cal community working at the rehab program, it was easily a 50/50 split between weed and alcohol as what the "gateway" substances are. Mine was beer, and I've had the self control to never use a drug (legal/prescripion or illegal) in almost 30 years of life. YES meth is a bigger scourge in its unpredictably dangerous reaction amongst its users, but there doesnt have to be outright danger to qualify as "negative".

I've seen the good families, I've seen the crappy families, I've seen the addicts, I've seen the squares. I've seen people try drugs for the first time, and I've seen people detox in front of me. I-Have-Seen-It-All... except I never saw "Reefer Madness" , because its obsolete propaganda...not real life.


OMG man you're supposed to puff puff give. You f'en up the rotation MAN! Hey.. you know what, I have a **** addiction, my gateway drug was, my primal urge to procreate....and the gateway to my primal urge to procreate is my biology, and the gateway to my biology is...ah hell. You could pretty much call anything a gateway drug. And to that matter, anything is addictive if you enjoy it enough. To me, the most important thing about addiction is not the gateway, it's the underlying cause for the addiction. When the cause is there, there will always be a gateway, no matter what it is. If your need to take recreation out of context is big enough, you'll find your gateway and maybe your addiction.

Hmmm.. you can tell us that weed is addictive and there-for a drug? Well I can tell you that turbochargers are flat out addictive, and thus a drug. Hah, I bet 95% of us here are addicted to boost. Do some of us modify are cars to have more boost? Hell yeah. Is modifying our cars to have more boost legal, most of the time no, but we take that chance. Just as 420 people do. So there you have it, I have just proved turbos are drugs, because some of us here are so addicted to boost and because of the inherent dangers of speed, turbos are bad. Yeah sure turbos are not a substance, but to me, endorphins in my brain telling me this is fun are one in the same.

The point of my ridiculus rambling is that I believe that addiction is not black and white. My problem is with people who shove this whole black and white gateway thing down everyones throat and leaves it at that. Weed a gateway? Yeah maybe, but what is the gateway to weed or alcohol?

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to tend to my addiction. My Maria Ozawa download just finished. fap fap fap whoo hoo JAV hotness baby!

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Old Apr 26, 2008 | 08:26 AM
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Old Apr 26, 2008 | 09:36 AM
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Sorry dude but apparently your time working in rehab allowed you to neglect almost every medical study that's been done?

Anyone who believes it's a gateway drug is still sucking off the tit of the dare program which was a joke anyways.

I will not deny that people who do hard drugs probably smoke or have smoked weed as well, but as the weed leading to it or causing people to take the drugs, I'd say anyone willing to speculate that much is an idiot...........life is way more complex than that..........weed is easily available and cheap and doesn't have many effects.......thats why a lot of people have used it.........calling it a gateway drug=makes you look like a dummy.
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are u offering ur car for a hot box sessioin?
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Ahhhhhhh it's all so clear now. "Mine was beer" and the serving at the rehab, etc. Sounds like you are one of those people who overdid it, got busted, and now, you are going the other direction and want everyone else to also.

Most of your comments here and in the message before you edited it, for me, negate anything you could possibly say on this subject. The very idea that you would mention meth in categorical comparison to marijuana shows you have no idea what you are talking about, regardless of what you have seen and BS you have been fed. Nobody gets a knife in the back at an ATM or beaten by a crazed fiend for a sack of weed. Your body doesn't deteriorate and slowly die from smoking weed. You wouldn't do ANYTHING for your next joint. Shoot, my mother was killed by a drunk driver but I have never even heard of someone getting hurt because of or as a result of using marijuana.

Cheers and congrats for not having had any sugar, caffeine, aspirin, ibuprofen, alcohol or weed in almost 30 years. It's amazing you are alive.
Actually I never was busted for criminal behaviors. I never got close to overdoing anything.

I'm gonna go have my coffee with cream and sugar, then take an aspirin for the headache I get from trying to pass on helpful info.
Old Apr 27, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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I agree that weed is addictive, My mother uses it every time her psoriatic arthritis acts up. And for those of you who dont know what psoriatic arthritis is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psoriatic_arthritis

And she has a legal prescription for her medicine and to our benefit can also legally cultivate it, resulting in a low cost/effective "drug" for her. And no she never smoked in her earlier youth and has tried many other prescription meds before going this route that have only caused more issues with her liver ect.
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