Grad School Anyone?
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Originally posted by WRXCSTI
Probably depends on company culture and industry but I wouldn't expect anything less than 10 - 12 hours a day on average if you have a lot of responsibility. In my company (a $6 billion regional bank), my boss the CFO and our controller go to work around 6 am and leave very late. But again, finance people always work the longest hours. However, other non-finance middle and senior managers in the bank also work very hard long hours. Well, they all drive nice cars. What's cool is that one of our Senior VP even knows the WRX culture when he saw my car. One of our female Executive VP also told me that my car is pretty cool. I'm sure all the hard work will pay off one day.
Probably depends on company culture and industry but I wouldn't expect anything less than 10 - 12 hours a day on average if you have a lot of responsibility. In my company (a $6 billion regional bank), my boss the CFO and our controller go to work around 6 am and leave very late. But again, finance people always work the longest hours. However, other non-finance middle and senior managers in the bank also work very hard long hours. Well, they all drive nice cars. What's cool is that one of our Senior VP even knows the WRX culture when he saw my car. One of our female Executive VP also told me that my car is pretty cool. I'm sure all the hard work will pay off one day.
Sorry for derailing the train of thoughts, the idea just popped into my head.
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Another idea is to apply for a consulting position at one of the largest consulting firms. Not only will you make f**king BANK...you will be exposed to many aspects of business that would make a newbie MBA's ***** shrivel.
www.mckinsey.com
Applying there is worse than applying for grad school. Expect 3-5 waves of interviews. And only apply if you're smarter than everyone that you know.
www.mckinsey.com
Applying there is worse than applying for grad school. Expect 3-5 waves of interviews. And only apply if you're smarter than everyone that you know.
My friend's twin sister got a job at State Farm and State Farm is paying for her to get her MBA at University of Chicago and her CPA and CFA, and all she had to do was agree to work for them for 5 years. If she quite then she would have to pay the expense of her education. Well just the other month they waived her having to stay the five years because due to the econ they had not been able to give her the raise she should have gotten at the one year mark, so now at 1 yr 6 months she gets her education free and clear (no payback) plus they gave her a 15K raise (more then they had too, and that was across her department) she is now at like 80K or 90K now and she will be done with her MBA in a year.
Lots of companies have perks like that, she knew that if another company came along and offered her a better job most of the time they offer to pay off the school expenses to State Farm so you can leave before the 5 year mark.
Lots of companies have perks like that, she knew that if another company came along and offered her a better job most of the time they offer to pay off the school expenses to State Farm so you can leave before the 5 year mark.
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Originally posted by WRX Goddess
My friend's twin sister got a job at State Farm and State Farm is paying for her to get her MBA at University of Chicago and her CPA and CFA, and all she had to do was agree to work for them for 5 years. If she quite then she would have to pay the expense of her education. Well just the other month they waived her having to stay the five years because due to the econ they had not been able to give her the raise she should have gotten at the one year mark, so now at 1 yr 6 months she gets her education free and clear (no payback) plus they gave her a 15K raise (more then they had too, and that was across her department) she is now at like 80K or 90K now and she will be done with her MBA in a year.
Lots of companies have perks like that, she knew that if another company came along and offered her a better job most of the time they offer to pay off the school expenses to State Farm so you can leave before the 5 year mark.
My friend's twin sister got a job at State Farm and State Farm is paying for her to get her MBA at University of Chicago and her CPA and CFA, and all she had to do was agree to work for them for 5 years. If she quite then she would have to pay the expense of her education. Well just the other month they waived her having to stay the five years because due to the econ they had not been able to give her the raise she should have gotten at the one year mark, so now at 1 yr 6 months she gets her education free and clear (no payback) plus they gave her a 15K raise (more then they had too, and that was across her department) she is now at like 80K or 90K now and she will be done with her MBA in a year.
Lots of companies have perks like that, she knew that if another company came along and offered her a better job most of the time they offer to pay off the school expenses to State Farm so you can leave before the 5 year mark.
What about financial planning firms "MexicanPizza"? I went to a job fair last week at the Santa Clara Convention Center and their were quite a few reputable companies there looking for people with bachelors. The American Express rep gave me a bunch of info on the position but I'm not to into the idea of my salary being commision based. However, I wonder if they would fund an MBA.
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Originally posted by 04WRBsedan
Since I don't have a specialized career path like some of you guys whom are biologists and engineers it seems like something more general like an MBA would be beneficial to me. However with a BA as opposed to having a BS I wonder if the transition would go smoothly.
Anyone else get into a masters program completely different from their undergrad work?
Since I don't have a specialized career path like some of you guys whom are biologists and engineers it seems like something more general like an MBA would be beneficial to me. However with a BA as opposed to having a BS I wonder if the transition would go smoothly.
Anyone else get into a masters program completely different from their undergrad work?
i would agree with a lot of wut ppl have previously posted in that getting another degree may be useful but it depends on wut that degree is. i would not just get a degree because tho.. it's best if it's in something you are interested in

for psychology, there are great programs in the area.. stanford/pacific has a program that is really good.
i actually majored in biology as an undergrad
and then went into a master's program in sociology
was quite a bit different, but i had taken some classes in sociology during undergrad years and (no offense to other biologists out there) i found it to be more interesting

good luck!

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(go stanford!.. sorry.. had to.. haha)
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Originally posted by babysmurf
hi there.
i would agree with a lot of wut ppl have previously posted in that getting another degree may be useful but it depends on wut that degree is. i would not just get a degree because tho.. it's best if it's in something you are interested in
for psychology, there are great programs in the area.. stanford/pacific has a program that is really good.
i actually majored in biology as an undergrad
and then went into a master's program in sociology
was quite a bit different, but i had taken some classes in sociology during undergrad years and (no offense to other biologists out there) i found it to be more interesting
good luck!
-bbsmurf
(go stanford!.. sorry.. had to.. haha)
hi there.
i would agree with a lot of wut ppl have previously posted in that getting another degree may be useful but it depends on wut that degree is. i would not just get a degree because tho.. it's best if it's in something you are interested in

for psychology, there are great programs in the area.. stanford/pacific has a program that is really good.
i actually majored in biology as an undergrad
and then went into a master's program in sociology
was quite a bit different, but i had taken some classes in sociology during undergrad years and (no offense to other biologists out there) i found it to be more interesting

good luck!

-bbsmurf
(go stanford!.. sorry.. had to.. haha)
Yes sociology is a very interesting subject and the inequalities people face in our country along with the ever widening gap between the rich and poor in this wealthiest nation in the world are among the few things that caught my attention in my soc. classes. But the only stable careers available in this field seem to be Gov. Social worker and counselor careers. And these jobs seem to have a tendancy to be cut when politicians make their budgets. Have you applied your masters to this field?
Originally posted by 04WRBsedan
"Vapo"
Do you think a lucrative career could be had as a licensed therapist? I'm almost sure all you need is a masters for that. I believe the PhD is needed to prescribe medicine if I'm not mistaken.
"Vapo"
Do you think a lucrative career could be had as a licensed therapist? I'm almost sure all you need is a masters for that. I believe the PhD is needed to prescribe medicine if I'm not mistaken.
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whoa tight, Mexicanpizza, Babysmurf, we got our gang going here...
here's the deal. I don't know what your undergrad is, but if you are some science or engineering field, you usually can get a TA-ship in grad school, whether you go master's or pHD.
If you are a pHD candidate with a fellowship (like I suspect with Eric) you get PAID to get your doctorate, how cool is that?
That's far off in the future, but grad school degrees at a state school like SJSU will be cheap enough to be WELL worth your student loan even at high interest, and still go a long way. Quite frankly I have compared electrical engineering curriculum (sp?) at Chico State, SJSU, and Stanford and they are virtually the same. (I mean think about it, your program has to be accredited, whether you are a 1st or 2nd or 3rd tier university thus your academic material covered will be quite similar)
And if you want to get a master's degree, the definition of "master's" is a trade-orientated degree to give you a market-niche skill. That being said, you can see why a master's in science is useless, because science is almost defacto research or Research assiting, and the definition of a pHD is a research degree (usually), and research assisting only requires undergrad.
and THAT being said, a master's/undergrad in science followed by a business MBA is one sweet deal because now you have above average depth knowlege in a field applicable to business needs.
I say go to a state school like SJSU and get your master's, and if you do well and like it, go directly into a pHD program. With good recommendations it should not be a problem. One of my car buddies did 2 years of undergrad at DeAnza community college, transfered to UC berkeley but since he was lazy, did not have good enough grades for a UC grad school, so he applied and did his master's at SJSU. Then with a good recommendation from a profession he is now doing a pHD in electrical engineering at Stanford. A very, very excellent career call. Downside to his choice is that with a relatively undistinguished undergrad he was not able to attain a fellowship for his pHD studies and his student loans are pretty deep, but should be well worth it. doctorate in electrical engineering should pay 6 figures starting salary. (IF he plays his cards right, you can get an MBA from Harvard and it'll be useless if you don't play your cards like you should) And if he should find a good startup idea via research (like I presume Eric) he will have good options in SandHill VC...
here's the deal. I don't know what your undergrad is, but if you are some science or engineering field, you usually can get a TA-ship in grad school, whether you go master's or pHD.
If you are a pHD candidate with a fellowship (like I suspect with Eric) you get PAID to get your doctorate, how cool is that?
That's far off in the future, but grad school degrees at a state school like SJSU will be cheap enough to be WELL worth your student loan even at high interest, and still go a long way. Quite frankly I have compared electrical engineering curriculum (sp?) at Chico State, SJSU, and Stanford and they are virtually the same. (I mean think about it, your program has to be accredited, whether you are a 1st or 2nd or 3rd tier university thus your academic material covered will be quite similar)
And if you want to get a master's degree, the definition of "master's" is a trade-orientated degree to give you a market-niche skill. That being said, you can see why a master's in science is useless, because science is almost defacto research or Research assiting, and the definition of a pHD is a research degree (usually), and research assisting only requires undergrad.
and THAT being said, a master's/undergrad in science followed by a business MBA is one sweet deal because now you have above average depth knowlege in a field applicable to business needs.
I say go to a state school like SJSU and get your master's, and if you do well and like it, go directly into a pHD program. With good recommendations it should not be a problem. One of my car buddies did 2 years of undergrad at DeAnza community college, transfered to UC berkeley but since he was lazy, did not have good enough grades for a UC grad school, so he applied and did his master's at SJSU. Then with a good recommendation from a profession he is now doing a pHD in electrical engineering at Stanford. A very, very excellent career call. Downside to his choice is that with a relatively undistinguished undergrad he was not able to attain a fellowship for his pHD studies and his student loans are pretty deep, but should be well worth it. doctorate in electrical engineering should pay 6 figures starting salary. (IF he plays his cards right, you can get an MBA from Harvard and it'll be useless if you don't play your cards like you should) And if he should find a good startup idea via research (like I presume Eric) he will have good options in SandHill VC...
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Regarding the difference between public and private schools, here's a generalization:
Public schools are funded by the government. They don't give a shat about you. UC berkeley is the biggest case in point.
Private schools are in effect corporations. When you graduate you are representative of their corporation, they damn well care about you.
In general the difference between public and private schools, which MOST if not ALL potential applicants fail to take into account / consideration is the amount of non-academic related resources. So with regards to that I recommend you heavily research the non-academic resources of an institution by interviewing alumni and contacting various people. Your decision is lifetime
Public schools are funded by the government. They don't give a shat about you. UC berkeley is the biggest case in point.
Private schools are in effect corporations. When you graduate you are representative of their corporation, they damn well care about you.
In general the difference between public and private schools, which MOST if not ALL potential applicants fail to take into account / consideration is the amount of non-academic related resources. So with regards to that I recommend you heavily research the non-academic resources of an institution by interviewing alumni and contacting various people. Your decision is lifetime
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Originally posted by verc
whoa tight, Mexicanpizza, Babysmurf, we got our gang going here...
here's the deal. I don't know what your undergrad is, but if you are some science or engineering field, you usually can get a TA-ship in grad school, whether you go master's or pHD.
If you are a pHD candidate with a fellowship (like I suspect with Eric) you get PAID to get your doctorate, how cool is that?
That's far off in the future, but grad school degrees at a state school like SJSU will be cheap enough to be WELL worth your student loan even at high interest, and still go a long way. Quite frankly I have compared electrical engineering curriculum (sp?) at Chico State, SJSU, and Stanford and they are virtually the same. (I mean think about it, your program has to be accredited, whether you are a 1st or 2nd or 3rd tier university thus your academic material covered will be quite similar)
And if you want to get a master's degree, the definition of "master's" is a trade-orientated degree to give you a market-niche skill. That being said, you can see why a master's in science is useless, because science is almost defacto research or Research assiting, and the definition of a pHD is a research degree (usually), and research assisting only requires undergrad.
and THAT being said, a master's/undergrad in science followed by a business MBA is one sweet deal because now you have above average depth knowlege in a field applicable to business needs.
I say go to a state school like SJSU and get your master's, and if you do well and like it, go directly into a pHD program. With good recommendations it should not be a problem. One of my car buddies did 2 years of undergrad at DeAnza community college, transfered to UC berkeley but since he was lazy, did not have good enough grades for a UC grad school, so he applied and did his master's at SJSU. Then with a good recommendation from a profession he is now doing a pHD in electrical engineering at Stanford. A very, very excellent career call. Downside to his choice is that with a relatively undistinguished undergrad he was not able to attain a fellowship for his pHD studies and his student loans are pretty deep, but should be well worth it. doctorate in electrical engineering should pay 6 figures starting salary. And if he should find a good startup idea via research (like I presume Eric) he will have good options in SandHill VC...
whoa tight, Mexicanpizza, Babysmurf, we got our gang going here...
here's the deal. I don't know what your undergrad is, but if you are some science or engineering field, you usually can get a TA-ship in grad school, whether you go master's or pHD.
If you are a pHD candidate with a fellowship (like I suspect with Eric) you get PAID to get your doctorate, how cool is that?
That's far off in the future, but grad school degrees at a state school like SJSU will be cheap enough to be WELL worth your student loan even at high interest, and still go a long way. Quite frankly I have compared electrical engineering curriculum (sp?) at Chico State, SJSU, and Stanford and they are virtually the same. (I mean think about it, your program has to be accredited, whether you are a 1st or 2nd or 3rd tier university thus your academic material covered will be quite similar)
And if you want to get a master's degree, the definition of "master's" is a trade-orientated degree to give you a market-niche skill. That being said, you can see why a master's in science is useless, because science is almost defacto research or Research assiting, and the definition of a pHD is a research degree (usually), and research assisting only requires undergrad.
and THAT being said, a master's/undergrad in science followed by a business MBA is one sweet deal because now you have above average depth knowlege in a field applicable to business needs.
I say go to a state school like SJSU and get your master's, and if you do well and like it, go directly into a pHD program. With good recommendations it should not be a problem. One of my car buddies did 2 years of undergrad at DeAnza community college, transfered to UC berkeley but since he was lazy, did not have good enough grades for a UC grad school, so he applied and did his master's at SJSU. Then with a good recommendation from a profession he is now doing a pHD in electrical engineering at Stanford. A very, very excellent career call. Downside to his choice is that with a relatively undistinguished undergrad he was not able to attain a fellowship for his pHD studies and his student loans are pretty deep, but should be well worth it. doctorate in electrical engineering should pay 6 figures starting salary. And if he should find a good startup idea via research (like I presume Eric) he will have good options in SandHill VC...
Great Info! It's good to know that one could get the same curriculum and education at a state in comparison to a University. San Francisco State seems to have a wide selection of programs that would cost roughly $4000, not including books, for a masters. Not to mention entrance requirements not being as difficult.
Now if I can take the GMAT or GRE and pass! How difficult are these (I know only one is required and program specific) Would 2 months be enough time to study and pass?
Thanks again all
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In bio, you will get paid no matter what. I didn't teach a single class (TA-ship), most of them are considered RA-ship's since you're furthering your advisor's career/reputation with your work. This varied a little bit for every school I interviewed at, some required some teaching.
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Originally posted by babysmurf
hi there.
i would agree with a lot of wut ppl have previously posted in that getting another degree may be useful but it depends on wut that degree is. i would not just get a degree because tho.. it's best if it's in something you are interested in
for psychology, there are great programs in the area.. stanford/pacific has a program that is really good.
i actually majored in biology as an undergrad
and then went into a master's program in sociology
was quite a bit different, but i had taken some classes in sociology during undergrad years and (no offense to other biologists out there) i found it to be more interesting
good luck!
-bbsmurf
(go stanford!.. sorry.. had to.. haha)
hi there.
i would agree with a lot of wut ppl have previously posted in that getting another degree may be useful but it depends on wut that degree is. i would not just get a degree because tho.. it's best if it's in something you are interested in

for psychology, there are great programs in the area.. stanford/pacific has a program that is really good.
i actually majored in biology as an undergrad
and then went into a master's program in sociology
was quite a bit different, but i had taken some classes in sociology during undergrad years and (no offense to other biologists out there) i found it to be more interesting

good luck!

-bbsmurf
(go stanford!.. sorry.. had to.. haha)
I'm not interested in all the extra 'stuff' they have you do in school, though like teaching. I hate teaching...a lot. I don't have the patience for it. Bio is like Latin, it is a dead degree. All the studies are going to other countries where they are done cheaper, but not as well, I might add.
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Originally posted by crash n burn
Bio is like Latin, it is a dead degree. All the studies are going to other countries where they are done cheaper, but not as well, I might add.
Bio is like Latin, it is a dead degree. All the studies are going to other countries where they are done cheaper, but not as well, I might add.


