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Old May 25, 2005 | 02:07 AM
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after a feeble attempt with Street Tuner (Cobb's stand alone engine managment), I e-mailed all tuners in the bay area. No one seemed prepared or interested. Knowing the limitations and obstacles with the software, EQ Tuning asked to take on the assignment.

I expected the usual "since this is new to me, it's going to require more time = $$$", which I got but Ed never asked for more money than the four hours he charged. After stating the types of maps I wanted, Ed offered Front Door service (drive down from Davis, pick up my car for the weekend, tune it, and return it) free of charge.

If you enjoy the type of service LIC Motorsports provide, you'll understand Ed fell from the same tree. They both take care of minor details without asking, charging extra, or make you feel stupid for bringing your car in because of your mistakes or your own installation(s). By the way, thanks again Adam, Noah, and Kevin for taking care of our late drop-in Friday.

It only gets better when Ed offered free tuning if he feels there is more to accomplish with the Pro Tuner.

Thanks again Ed. Now I have a car that kicks in full boost (17.5 psi) from 2900 and revs up to 7150 RPMs. Last year I bought an STi. This year, I own a EQ Tuned rocket.
Old May 25, 2005 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocket Man
Ed never asked for more money than the four hours he charged. After stating the types of maps I wanted, Ed offered Front Door service (drive down from Davis, pick up my car for the weekend, tune it, and return it) free of charge.

If you enjoy the type of service LIC Motorsports provide, you'll understand Ed fell from the same tree. They both take care of minor details without asking, charging extra, or make you feel stupid for bringing your car in because of your mistakes or your own installation(s). By the way, thanks again Adam, Noah, and Kevin for taking care of our late drop-in Friday.

It only gets better when Ed offered free tuning if he feels there is more to accomplish with the Pro Tuner.
Last year I bought an STi. This year, I own a EQ Tuned rocket.
Sounds great.
4 hours on a tune??

To bad Ed didn't show up @ the UCKK meet, I was looking forward to some "ROAD DYNOs", in the parking lot.

I'm happy your happy.
Now go get that biatch on the dyno.. ,
EQ tuned rocket.....HAHA, i like the wording.

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Old May 25, 2005 | 08:35 AM
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Old May 25, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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nice, hows the new power? what do you think youre pushing at the wheels?
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Old May 25, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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Thanks for the nice review Kevin. I'll try to fill in a few details.
Kevin contacted me about the tune using Street Tuner. He wanted several maps, base 91 octane, 94 octane autox/drag map, and the usual anti-theft and valet maps set up on his access port. Since I've never worked with the Access Port or Street Tuner before, I knew it would take a significant amount of time to figure everything out, get acquainted with the software, and build these maps from scratch. I quoted Kevin 4 hours which I believed to be a fair amount of tuning time for the required maps if I had actually had previous experience with the software and setup. I also knew that I would spend a lot more than 4 hours working on his car, but since this would also be a learning experience for me, it would not be fair to charge for the extra time.
Kevin and I arranged for him to drop his car off in Davis on Friday and pick it up on Sunday. When he showed up on Friday, we started tuning and soon realized that his front O2 sensor was dead. It was almost 6PM by this time, so I started calling everyone I could think of and as always the guys at LIC saved the day. They had one O2 sensor that wasn't even for sale, but after hearing the situation, they were happy to help out. So we drove an hour to Novato, Adam swapped the O2 sensor while Noah and Kevin looked over the car and fixed several minor issues (lose endlinks, missing bolts, etc) while it was on the lift. I've said this before, but the guys at LIC are truly amazing and always genuinely happy to help.

After the car was fixed up, Kevin got picked up and I took the car back to Davis for tuning. I spent many hours working out the base 91 octane map and getting acquainted with Street Tuner which certainly has some serious drawbacks as compared to Ecutek software. The 91 map was hitting 17psi bellow 3000RPM, running 10.8:1 a/f and made approximately 270whp/275ft-lbs on a cool evening. Next I started working on the 94 octane autox/drag map. Since this map would be primarily used for motor sports that required significant staging time in hot weather, it was necessary to tune it relatively conservatively and simulate an extremely heat soaked tmic. Luckily, Sunday afternoon turned out to be a 90 degree day here in Davis which was perfect for this type of tune. After several more hours of tuning and testing on the 94, we ended up with 272whp/281ft-lbs with 90 degree ambient temps and an extremely heat soaked TMIC. This power was extremely consistent and there was no sign of knock even after simulating staging by running the car hard for 20 minutes and the letting it sit still for 10-15, roasting the TMIC. There is certainly some power left on the 94 octane tune, but considering the conditions it would be used under, I did not feel comfortable pushing it any further. Kevin also seemed happy with the power level and consistency. This map was hitting 17.5psi by 2900RPM and running 11:1 going down to 10.8:1 up top.

Sorry about the long post, but I thought I'd share some of the details of the weekend. Here is Kevin's before/after road dyno results. The blue line is the stock ECU with about 75 degree ambient temps. The red is his 94 octane map in 90 degree ambient temps immediately after heat soaking the TMIC with a staging simulation.



Overall, I'm pleased with the way the car runs, but I still think that Pro Tuner will give more control over the parameters I'm used to dealing with from the Ecutek software and allow me to make an even more consistent and adaptable map. I learned a lot about Cobb's approach to tuning software as well as about STI tuning in general and I have Kevin to thank for giving me the opportunity to do so.

Thanks

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Old May 25, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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so if one already has the accessport, what does it take to get a 'protuner'.

max torque at 4k rpm... nice.
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Originally Posted by Yin
so if one already has the accessport, what does it take to get a 'protuner'.

max torque at 4k rpm... nice.
The Pro Tuner software is still in Beta as far as I know and will only be available to proffesional tuners... hence the name . The Street Tuner software is available to anyone with an Access Port and offers similar functionality but is simplified and doesn't offer access to as many maps and parameters as the Pro Tuner.

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Old May 25, 2005 | 08:00 PM
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Ed from eq tuning turnd my sti into a rocket, i got mine tuned by sgp racing but recieved lots of knock, showed ed logs and he worked with me over the internet and helped me out greatly now i drive and no knock, only in 100+temps but i got tuned when it was winter, still ED OWNS!, all i need to do now is get him to tune me a summer map ;-)
Old May 25, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxout
Ed from eq tuning turnd my sti into a rocket, i got mine tuned by sgp racing but recieved lots of knock, showed ed logs and he worked with me over the internet and helped me out greatly now i drive and no knock, only in 100+temps but i got tuned when it was winter, still ED OWNS!, all i need to do now is get him to tune me a summer map ;-)
Haha.... To clarify, I just made a couple changes to your UTEC maps to smooth things out and get rid of the knock. I can't take credit for the full tune as I just worked with the map you already had from your previous tune. Its not easy to tune a car that's several states away, from the comfort of my house
Old May 25, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Yin
so if one already has the accessport, what does it take to get a 'protuner'.

max torque at 4k rpm... nice.
Hey Johnny,

Ryan at FLI is supposed to get a beta version of Protuner someday. As far as I know, thats the only shop in Bay Area (or West Coast for that matter) that's getting the Beta version. I'm gonna hold out till then...or eventually jump ship and let Ed have a go at it.

btw, still have this gauge waiting for you.

Ryan
Old May 25, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Haha.... To clarify, I just made a couple changes to your UTEC maps to smooth things out and get rid of the knock. I can't take credit for the full tune as I just worked with the map you already had from your previous tune. Its not easy to tune a car that's several states away, from the comfort of my house
ya but now its nosy
Old May 26, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by killaho
what took so long?
i think Ed wanted the feeling of owning a STi for a weekend; pictures of him grocery shopping, going to church, cruise the strip.... in the mean time, do a little tuning.

If 270 to the wheels is accurate, with 25-30% loss from the crank, it is very close to what VF39 pumps out at max and Cobb's claim of stage two. Nice work considering the limitations of the Street Tuner software. Not everyone feels comfortable outside their element and Ed challenged himself to something new. I applaude that.

Not surprised the numbers are so low given the conditions. The thermometer on the car read 91 on Sunday. We drove A LOT with A/C before the pulls. "Heat soaking" is like putting a magnifying glass on an ant under the sun. Much different than running on a treadmill in a cool room with a fan blowing cool air onto the intercooler. I'll dyno and post those numbers too.

Overall, I am pleased too. Ed just wrote a more detailed recap.
Old May 26, 2005 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Yin
nice, hows the new power? what do you think youre pushing at the wheels?
sounds like you're asking for a ride.

Hey Ed, is it safe to say around 300 whp on 100 octane? Overall, the RPMs are hot, no spool time, "all systems go" before 4000 RPMs.

I recommend custom tuning over off-the-shelfs or mail-in reflashes. And I recommend EQ Tuning to custom tune.

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Old May 26, 2005 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocket Man
sounds like you're asking for a ride.

Hey Ed, is it safe to say around 300 whp on 100 octane? Overall, the RPMs are hot, no spool time, "all systems go" before 4000 RPMs.

I recommend custom tuning over off-the-shelfs or mail-in reflashes. And I recommend EQ Tuning to custom tune.
I'd say 290-300whp and about 310ft-lbs on straight 100 octane. Of course you'd need another map to take full advantage of the 100. That sounds like a fun map to tune



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