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For 7 yrs the Sti has put out 300 hp( nevermind the monstorous 5hp jump of late) so when will Subaru say "hey, look at that" in response to everyother company upping the anty? Looking at the preformance numbers for the '11 wrx and Sti and seeing the Driving sports video of the '07vs'11 sti quarter mile times in the low 14s? Really weak. When Subaru announces the arrival of the 375hp Sti, then improvements will be satisfactory. Isn't the Wrx and Sti supposed to be "giant killers"?Not anymore!
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For 7 yrs the Sti has put out 300 hp( nevermind the monstorous 5hp jump of late) so when will Subaru say "hey, look at that" in response to everyother company upping the anty? Looking at the preformance numbers for the '11 wrx and Sti and seeing the Driving sports video of the '07vs'11 sti quarter mile times in the low 14s? Really weak. When Subaru announces the arrival of the 375hp Sti, then improvements will be satisfactory. Isn't the Wrx and Sti supposed to be "giant killers"?Not anymore!
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A longer stroke and smaller bore is more efficient in theory. The EJ motors have a notoriously short stroke and many people blame that for their lack of efficiency as compared to the EVO motors. What I find funny is that they went to great lengths to fully redesign the engine but the gains are very minimal. Hopefully the potential will be revealed in the turbo applications.
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Paul,
I'm sure you already know, but here goes anyhow... Subaru is requiring the use of their own synthetic oil (0w20) to maintain warranty on the new FB motor. The filter is a new filter and the DP is a 'new' one as well.
Just in case no one told you.
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I'm sure you already know, but here goes anyhow... Subaru is requiring the use of their own synthetic oil (0w20) to maintain warranty on the new FB motor. The filter is a new filter and the DP is a 'new' one as well.
Just in case no one told you.
Cheers,
Ryan
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What I wonder is how Subaru or any manufacturer can require a particular fluid/part and not provide it for free, under The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act .
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For 7 yrs the Sti has put out 300 hp( nevermind the monstorous 5hp jump of late) so when will Subaru say "hey, look at that" in response to everyother company upping the anty? Looking at the preformance numbers for the '11 wrx and Sti and seeing the Driving sports video of the '07vs'11 sti quarter mile times in the low 14s? Really weak. When Subaru announces the arrival of the 375hp Sti, then improvements will be satisfactory. Isn't the Wrx and Sti supposed to be "giant killers"?Not anymore!
ANd then more of this "only 300 hp, meh" crap? Do YOU have a reliable 375 Hp car? Do YOU have a built engine with a bigger turbo on it? It can be a pain in the ***...even when you spend a crap ton of money to make it the cleanest setup possible. It is no long er a car that you can check the oil, get in, and drive. Assuming you do check your oil
These engines are barely reliable at 300 hp, especially if you beat on it with the stock tune. A stage 2 car MIGHT make 375 hp on pump, but it will be pushing the envelops of safety to make it there. You will be also be $1000+ in the hole in aftermarket parts, tuning, etc. AND you will have maintenance requirements that are increased over stock.
The fact is these OEM 2.5l engines are not really meant to be reliable, high performance, and cheap. The saying is you have to pick two of those. OEM has to meet all 3, or people will stop buying the car.
IF you want a 375-400 hp car that is cheap, reliable, and fast then buy the 2011 Mustang GT, or one of the other incredibly high cost/ performance ratio cars out there now. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GIVE A **** ABOUT DRAG RACING.
End of story.
Edit: now when friends buy a WRX or STI and ask me what to do I tell them "stage 2 VF-39/34, tune with supporting mods, and drive the **** out of it with good gas. Then save your money for tires, brake pads, and suspension parts."
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That makes more than one of us wondering the same thing. I can't get a straight answer out of them and I've asked many times.
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Any other car co's doing that??
At what I wrote or at it being plastic?
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^ I'm not 100% sure, but I think Mitsubishi has something like that for the Evos. When I've looked underneath the hood of Evos, there's a sticker saying that Mobil 1 oil only. I assume that means you have to use that oil for warranty.
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First off I want to say that THE STI IS NOT A DRAG CAR. If you buy one to drag race you are a fool. If you base your decision to buy something else because of a 14 second 1/4 mile time in a ****ty publication, GOOD.
ANd then more of this "only 300 hp, meh" crap? Do YOU have a reliable 375 Hp car? Do YOU have a built engine with a bigger turbo on it? It can be a pain in the ***...even when you spend a crap ton of money to make it the cleanest setup possible. It is no long er a car that you can check the oil, get in, and drive. Assuming you do check your oil
These engines are barely reliable at 300 hp, especially if you beat on it with the stock tune. A stage 2 car MIGHT make 375 hp on pump, but it will be pushing the envelops of safety to make it there. You will be also be $1000+ in the hole in aftermarket parts, tuning, etc. AND you will have maintenance requirements that are increased over stock.
The fact is these OEM 2.5l engines are not really meant to be reliable, high performance, and cheap. The saying is you have to pick two of those. OEM has to meet all 3, or people will stop buying the car.
IF you want a 375-400 hp car that is cheap, reliable, and fast then buy the 2011 Mustang GT, or one of the other incredibly high cost/ performance ratio cars out there now. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GIVE A **** ABOUT DRAG RACING.
End of story.
Edit: now when friends buy a WRX or STI and ask me what to do I tell them "stage 2 VF-39/34, tune with supporting mods, and drive the **** out of it with good gas. Then save your money for tires, brake pads, and suspension parts."
ANd then more of this "only 300 hp, meh" crap? Do YOU have a reliable 375 Hp car? Do YOU have a built engine with a bigger turbo on it? It can be a pain in the ***...even when you spend a crap ton of money to make it the cleanest setup possible. It is no long er a car that you can check the oil, get in, and drive. Assuming you do check your oil
These engines are barely reliable at 300 hp, especially if you beat on it with the stock tune. A stage 2 car MIGHT make 375 hp on pump, but it will be pushing the envelops of safety to make it there. You will be also be $1000+ in the hole in aftermarket parts, tuning, etc. AND you will have maintenance requirements that are increased over stock.
The fact is these OEM 2.5l engines are not really meant to be reliable, high performance, and cheap. The saying is you have to pick two of those. OEM has to meet all 3, or people will stop buying the car.
IF you want a 375-400 hp car that is cheap, reliable, and fast then buy the 2011 Mustang GT, or one of the other incredibly high cost/ performance ratio cars out there now. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GIVE A **** ABOUT DRAG RACING.
End of story.
Edit: now when friends buy a WRX or STI and ask me what to do I tell them "stage 2 VF-39/34, tune with supporting mods, and drive the **** out of it with good gas. Then save your money for tires, brake pads, and suspension parts."
End of story.
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Do you work for Subaru? How do you know the thin line between reliability and pushing the 2.5 past it's limits? The quarter mile times were simply an example of the cars raw power and i'm a subaru guy and would like to see some improvements power wise. I did not buy the car for dragracing but would like to see some attemp at getting a bit more out of the Sti
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