CARB is getting ready to come after race cars
08-09-2017, 09:26 PM
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CARB is getting ready to come after race cars
Crap... looks like competition vehicles are in the gun sites now
https://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/racingveh...ngvehicles.htm
https://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/racingveh...ngvehicles.htm
08-10-2017, 07:11 AM
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No where in there did it state they are "coming after race cars"....
They said
They also said that some "race only" parts are on "non race cars". Like buying a catless downpipe online - they are for "off road or racing only", yet people still install and run them on the streets. I'd guess those and similar are their targets.
They said
racing vehicles, defined as competition vehicles not used on public highways, are exempt from emissions control requirements...
08-10-2017, 08:23 AM
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I posted with less info than I should have.
This is part of a conversation elsewhere
This is part of a conversation elsewhere
Rex Tener shared a link.
August 8 at 3:50pm · San Mateo
I have held off on posting this for awhile, but it looks like CARB is serious. CARB has been regulating off-road competition motorcycles for years. Some types of motorcycles can not be used on county/state land between June and October.
California also requires all motorcycles to be registered for street, off-road, or have a transportation permit to be even moved on/in a trailer or in the bed of pickup on public roads.
CARB has now realized that people use off-road competition motorcycles for practice at race tracks or for recreation off-road. They claim that is "illegal" and are about to change the regulations to make it illegal and/or ban the sale of competition motorcycles in the state of California.
This is where it affects the car people. At the first public study session on the issue, when it was pointed out that competition race cars don't need emissions, registration, or transportation permits, CARB indicated they were going to fix that.
August 8 at 3:50pm · San Mateo
I have held off on posting this for awhile, but it looks like CARB is serious. CARB has been regulating off-road competition motorcycles for years. Some types of motorcycles can not be used on county/state land between June and October.
California also requires all motorcycles to be registered for street, off-road, or have a transportation permit to be even moved on/in a trailer or in the bed of pickup on public roads.
CARB has now realized that people use off-road competition motorcycles for practice at race tracks or for recreation off-road. They claim that is "illegal" and are about to change the regulations to make it illegal and/or ban the sale of competition motorcycles in the state of California.
This is where it affects the car people. At the first public study session on the issue, when it was pointed out that competition race cars don't need emissions, registration, or transportation permits, CARB indicated they were going to fix that.
08-10-2017, 08:38 AM
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"Off road only" parts were already illegal, sounds like they intend to enforce more. Companies selling them here had to state as such so they could sell them here. Saying they want to do this and actually doing it aren't the same thing, but it doesn't sound good.
08-10-2017, 11:30 AM
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Crap... looks like competition vehicles are in the gun sites now
https://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/racingveh...ngvehicles.htm
https://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/racingveh...ngvehicles.htm
Reading the stakeholder presentation, it's pretty clear, and is explicitly stated, that the State wishes to "protect exemption for true racing purposes" by "provid[ing] clarity on exempted vehicle use", "enhanc[ing] access to racing parts", "creat[ing] guidelines for race vehicle conversions", "distinguish[ing] between legitimate practice for racing purposes and recreation".
What I can see arising from this action is the definitions of a "competition" or "racing" vehicle being developed in order to require owners to register them as such in order to purchase aftermarket parts and, and this part hasn't and probably will never change, enforcement actions (fines, etc.) being levied against end-users installing those parts on vehicles not registered as a "competition" or "racing" vehicle. Since they seemed so focused on "preserving California's rich racing heritage", I would be very surprised if, at any point in the future, they will require emissions controls on vehicles registered as "competition" or "racing" to operate in California--what are they going to do, sniffer a NASCAR?
This whole thing was probably brought about as the result of a lawsuit in which someone challenged some definition of some term in the regulation. Happens all the time.
08-16-2017, 10:03 PM
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Crap... looks like competition vehicles are in the gun sites now
https://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/racingveh...ngvehicles.htm
https://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/racingveh...ngvehicles.htm
its a distraction and a waste of money
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