bad experience buying/selling in classifieds?
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bad experience buying/selling in classifieds?
Hi I-club,
I've generally had a very good experience selling and buying here on i-club, so much so that I prefer it to nasioc's larger selection of used parts and slightly lower prices overall as the interactions with the community is trouble free compared to the stuff you have to sift through on nasioc.
I bought a set of wheels here the past weekend and when going back and forth with questions and price the wheels/tires were said to have to be replaced soon, but have about 1000 miles or less of tread left and hold air. Great, so we agreed on a price, set up a place for delivery which fell through and then set agreed to meet at my place on Treasure Island. I jacked up the car, took off my wheels going to the powdercoater and waited for them to get dropped off. Easy transaction, cash exchanged, shot the shizz about cars, etc.
I installed them next day and one tire looked a little flat, but didn't think much of it as they might have been stored a while. Come Monday for the morning commute, tires fwapping around and I have to turn around at the end of my block and jack it up again. Worn nail right in the tread, not holding air. Spare tire on, to the tire shop, pleaded to get a bald tire patched, voila.
Now I try to contact the seller, let him know the situation (tire flat, lost wages from being late, etc), get a hold of him by phone and he informs me he shouldn't pay to even fix the tire since the price for the wheel set was already so low. Seems like faulty logic as the price was contingent on the condition of the tires being as stated (I wanted a set to roll around on for a week while my stuff was getting coated), but what can I do, bring him to small claims over $50? The money isn't really the bummer, but more the fact that I prefer to do business on I-club precisely to avoid situations like this, and that if there is a problem, buyer or seller, I hope that I would do what it takes to make things right. Otherwise why not do it all paypal/nasioc/by mail etc.? Thanks for reading all.
I've generally had a very good experience selling and buying here on i-club, so much so that I prefer it to nasioc's larger selection of used parts and slightly lower prices overall as the interactions with the community is trouble free compared to the stuff you have to sift through on nasioc.
I bought a set of wheels here the past weekend and when going back and forth with questions and price the wheels/tires were said to have to be replaced soon, but have about 1000 miles or less of tread left and hold air. Great, so we agreed on a price, set up a place for delivery which fell through and then set agreed to meet at my place on Treasure Island. I jacked up the car, took off my wheels going to the powdercoater and waited for them to get dropped off. Easy transaction, cash exchanged, shot the shizz about cars, etc.
I installed them next day and one tire looked a little flat, but didn't think much of it as they might have been stored a while. Come Monday for the morning commute, tires fwapping around and I have to turn around at the end of my block and jack it up again. Worn nail right in the tread, not holding air. Spare tire on, to the tire shop, pleaded to get a bald tire patched, voila.
Now I try to contact the seller, let him know the situation (tire flat, lost wages from being late, etc), get a hold of him by phone and he informs me he shouldn't pay to even fix the tire since the price for the wheel set was already so low. Seems like faulty logic as the price was contingent on the condition of the tires being as stated (I wanted a set to roll around on for a week while my stuff was getting coated), but what can I do, bring him to small claims over $50? The money isn't really the bummer, but more the fact that I prefer to do business on I-club precisely to avoid situations like this, and that if there is a problem, buyer or seller, I hope that I would do what it takes to make things right. Otherwise why not do it all paypal/nasioc/by mail etc.? Thanks for reading all.
Last edited by pleue; Jul 24, 2008 at 10:30 PM. Reason: split into paragraphs
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Situations like this **** me off. But as the purchaser, you failed to do your fair amount of Due Diligence; you did not inspect the product before handing the cash over to the seller.
^^i agree, you should always inspect what you are buying....even when you buy new stuff at stores, you usually check for rips, holes stains etc, so just be careful from now on....hey, quick question, did it cost you $50 to get the tire patched, just curious
While the buyer should perform due diligence before taking delivery of any item, new or used, the seller also has the obligation of full disclosure. This means that the buyer should let the seller know of any issues regarding condition, mileage, age, problems, etc. and also, what he doesn't know, but could foresee being a problem. The internet has made transactions far easier and faster than they have ever been, but they have also made them much less safe. It's a trade-off, sure, but that doesn't mean that the social and business norms that govern face-to-face transactions should be thrown out the window, especially in a tight-knit community like I-Club.
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Last edited by kyoung05; Mar 30, 2011 at 07:49 AM.
its easy to miss a nail in a tire.
plus, by stating that they have less than 1000 miles left, i think that's enough to let you know that they're not going to last.
also, he should DEF not pay for any of your wages/time.
you bought something used and saved $. the trade off is less service and more risk.
plus, by stating that they have less than 1000 miles left, i think that's enough to let you know that they're not going to last.
also, he should DEF not pay for any of your wages/time.
you bought something used and saved $. the trade off is less service and more risk.
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It's always better to anticipate certain variables when buying used items, even if they're less likely to happen than you think. That's why when I post something, I normally put "as-is" if it's used. I know it sounds sketchy, I just don't want people coming back to me about a problem I'm not aware of and I'm not sure if it's my fault or his/her's. I try to do my best to tell them what I know and what I don't know. I personally would try to pay for half of the tire repair (as long as it wasn't stupid expensive) just out of good will, but that's just me. Sorry to hear about you being late to your job man. Don't lose faith in the community, people make mistakes.
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While the buyer should perform due diligence before taking delivery of any item, new or used, the seller also has the obligation of full disclosure. This means that the buyer should let the seller know of any issues regarding condition, mileage, age, problems, etc. and also, what he doesn't know, but could foresee being a problem. The internet has made transactions far easier and faster than they have ever been, but they have also made them much less safe. It's a trade-off, sure, but that doesn't mean that the social and business norms that govern face-to-face transactions should be thrown out the window, especially in a tight-knit community like I-Club.
The seller informed the buyer that the tires need to be replaced.
I read what you're saying as the seller should have to warn the buyer that the tires could blow out, which could lead to death.
Should the seller have to warn the buyer that the wheels may fall off, crack, warp, distort, or suffer some other malady that may result in undesirable performance?
As the buyer saw the tires before being purchased, he's just as much at fault as the seller.
I totally disagree.
The seller informed the buyer that the tires need to be replaced.
I read what you're saying as the seller should have to warn the buyer that the tires could blow out, which could lead to death.
Should the seller have to warn the buyer that the wheels may fall off, crack, warp, distort, or suffer some other malady that may result in undesirable performance?
As the buyer saw the tires before being purchased, he's just as much at fault as the seller.
The seller informed the buyer that the tires need to be replaced.
I read what you're saying as the seller should have to warn the buyer that the tires could blow out, which could lead to death.
Should the seller have to warn the buyer that the wheels may fall off, crack, warp, distort, or suffer some other malady that may result in undesirable performance?
As the buyer saw the tires before being purchased, he's just as much at fault as the seller.
I meant to say the seller should tell the buyer things he, in his experience and knowledge about the particular product he is selling, could reasonably foresee happening. Think about it, who is in the better position to evaluate the condition of something? The person who has had it, used it, and spent time with it or the person who is seeing it for the first time at the time of purchase?
As for the opening poster's situation, he said that the seller of the wheels/tires said the following:
the wheels/tires were said to have to be replaced soon, but have about 1000 miles or less of tread left and hold air.
Worn nail right in the tread, not holding air.
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Last edited by kyoung05; Mar 30, 2011 at 07:49 AM.
Reading your side of the story, it does not sound like the seller tried to decieve you...just bad luck on your behalf. I would move on and try not to worry about it.
If you honestly think the iclubber had the intent to deceive you, give him a negative rating.
If you honestly think the iclubber had the intent to deceive you, give him a negative rating.
BINGO...buyers fault...inspect and inspect on anything u purchase..then make a judgement...soounds like u were just happy to get some wheels and slap it on...!
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I should have inspected. It was after dark at the time of delivery (10ish). It was 50 for patching, hard to find a place willing to patch a worn tire. I wasn't expecting any life out of the tires save the week or so that I needed them to hold air and take me 20-50 miles or so of commuting. I think it's impossible to have full disclosure, I understood completely that the tires had little left, but I bought them intending to use that little and replace them later. Lesson learned, I'll be more careful in the future.
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You should also bring a nice bright flashlight with you the next time you go buy something when it's dark out. Get something like a Surefire Kroma..
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buy and sell used item you really have to inspect the item carefully.
buy and sell from trusted members.
<------ that is why the sales rating is very important
buy and sell from trusted members.
<------ that is why the sales rating is very important
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and what sucks is u cant even make a report because everything is sold as is when u buy it from someone else..but then again think about it if it happen the other way around you would have done the same thing to him.. well s*** good luck with that