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Old Aug 2, 2013 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
I think instead of WILL it's CAN.


Take for example this whole Zimmerman thing. He was not arrested at first because they had put it at self defense. He wasn't arrested and held until people got pissed and the charges changed.

You will be taken in for questioning and it'll be a long night. But I don't think they'll hold you unless it comes off suspicious.

but they do have that option.
That's one of those where it was in question and SHOULD have been an arrest OBVIOUSLY since there was a trial. The system failed in that one.

You will be questioned for sure and the officer can arrest you on the spot or if, as in the case of Zimmerman, you can be charged and arrested after the fact. That old retired guy who shot the two kids who were trying to rob a store or something in Florida, they arrested and released him the same day. It was clearly justified and caught on video. Had Zimmerman's incident been caught on video, there would have been a different outcome I think.

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Exactly. Especially following the Zimmerman case I would think that every case the person will be arrested, processed and released just to cover their political bases.

I would expect it.

If I was forced to shoot someone in defense of myself or my family I would probably lay the gun on the ground exactly where I was standing and sit down exactly where it happened.

My old communications teacher is doing like 25 year for shooting someone in "self defense" He was found to be lying in wait. Essentially someone called him and said...yo... they're coming to get you. He picked up his shot gun and sat down. As soon as the dudes head came in the window he took it off.

Murder.

Someone dies or is seriously injured and you're involved... gun, car, fist, fart... not something to be messed with.
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
Exactly. Especially following the Zimmerman case I would think that every case the person will be arrested, processed and released just to cover their political bases.

I would expect it.

If I was forced to shoot someone in defense of myself or my family I would probably lay the gun on the ground exactly where I was standing and sit down exactly where it happened.

My old communications teacher is doing like 25 year for shooting someone in "self defense" He was found to be lying in wait. Essentially someone called him and said...yo... they're coming to get you. He picked up his shot gun and sat down. As soon as the dudes head came in the window he took it off.

Murder.

Someone dies or is seriously injured and you're involved... gun, car, fist, fart... not something to be messed with.
nuclear warfare. thats some heavy ****...no pun intended. HAHA
Old Aug 2, 2013 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by norcalbro
Agree.

Motion activated lights, keep the gate locked, security cameras.

If you get a gun, you better be ready to use it. If you pull a shotgun on a perp and he's got a gun, he's going to try to shoot you first... that shotty best be loaded.
Im going to stop by lowe's or home depot and look at motion lights, and frys for security camera.

From now on, the gate is completely locked. Inconvienence, but will keep my brother safe as he likes to go in the back yard at random times.
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I keep shells in a couple places around the house but don't keep mine loaded. Not safe.
Definitely not safe.

Originally Posted by oaklandish_WRX
Non-lethal ammo in a gun is an invitation to legal trouble. If you're not comfy with having a loaded, operational firearm with real bullets and possibly shooting at someone, then DON'T. If you were to have non-lethal ammo, you might be more apt to fire even if not in a life-threatening situation. Then when you blind the guy with rock-salt, etc. he gets to own you.

Fire when you have to and be the last person to do so...

<-----Not a gun-nut, but prepared...
Thats crazy how the law works imo... But that makes sense.
Originally Posted by oaklandish_WRX
Picture it this way: say you did go out the front door to confront him outside the house, he's put his weapon down to jimmy the gate. You verbally confront him, Dood turns around to pick up his weapon - you gonna let him turn back around before you fire so you can hit his front side? Or let him chase you back inside the house? No ******* way. Self defense happens wherever your self is.

Sounds like your best route is dog, lights/cams. Perhaps a legal, "non-lethal" like a tazer. But that implies very short range to have any accuracy. Sorry you are going through this. Jeezus, what happened to Los Altos?
Very true, and I hear you. Yes. dogs and lights/cams is most likely the way to go. Can't you buy a tazer that shoots out the prongs? Because my side gate and the edge of the garage is within 4 feet distance, definitely enough if I could use a tazer that shoots.

And I have no clue. These break ins started this year but didn't get worse until last month. We have been locking everything and double checking since then, but the recent episode has almost proven nothing.

Originally Posted by OneManArmy
I think instead of WILL it's CAN.


Take for example this whole Zimmerman thing. He was not arrested at first because they had put it at self defense. He wasn't arrested and held until people got pissed and the charges changed.

You will be taken in for questioning and it'll be a long night. But I don't think they'll hold you unless it comes off suspicious.

but they do have that option.
I wouldn't mind questioning, but it's still dumb how if you are infact protecting yourself, you can be taken for murder...
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its LAPD man. they only help the old and the whiny. and the 5 MPH over speeding tickets. lol

I would put up a cam or two and take the cold hard evidence in. if at that point they are still shoving u out, well itd be a good time to take it to a higher authority and mention the lack of cooperation of the local PD.

I had the cops called on me for running my nitro Savage-x R/C car at 1:30 PM on a Saturday. i cant even drop a god damn wrench in my own garage without fear the PD will show up 5 minutes after i dropped it. LOLOL good luck man!

i know what u mean about the recent break-ins. they just started happening in my area (behind almond elm). FOUR houses and 6 cars in the surrounding area since i last knew. how im the lucky one on the corner that hasnt been robbed, but yes. keep all doors locked. even gates, car doors, windows, back doors, skylights, etc.
Meh very true.. Luckily I haven't had issues with the car, but the lady down the street has called cops and have waited down my street for me...

Who would higher authority be then? because as it looks right now, it seems like I can't do anything with the local police without a gun stuck to my head.

It's crazy, I know. I ran my electric 1/8 buggy on the street during the afternoon, around 3pm, and within 10min, cops shows up and tells me a lady has made a complaint! Are you serious? I'm barely making any noise being electric, and can't even drive it around? Cops take these more seriously than a break in? I must applaud LAPD...

Yea, a guy down my street got 10 grand worth of stuff stollen, another got a car jacked, and another got lots of money's worth of stuff jacked.. Will do!

Originally Posted by OneManArmy
Your neighbors suck.
Lol. Yes they do. And oddly enough the ONLY person who does complain is the black lady down the street, who lives about 20 houses down. Its odd because every time I work on the car she happens to come by and says some dumb bs like "You can't be working on your car here!" while im in the garage...

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Old Aug 2, 2013 | 12:32 PM
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LOL. im not too sure who next in line for authority would be. but im sure there sure is.

electric?!? man and i thought I had it bad. LOL
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Originally Posted by Overbear

CA has no duty to retreat laws in place. It does not matter where you are, you can, in this state, use whatever force is nessessary to defend your life, up to and INCLUDING lethal force.

However, only the force nessessary, so for example.

A)Criminal is in your front yard, you confront him, he whips out a knife and charges you, you shoot and he goes down, dead. Justified.

B)Same thing, but he goes down, throws the knife aside and doesn't die, but you walk up and put a 2nd round in him to 'finish him off'. That would be murder.
Interesting.... But that does make sense.
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Old Aug 2, 2013 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 02RS25
multiquote of the year!

LOL. im not too sure who next in line for authority would be. but im sure there sure is.

electric?!? man and i thought I had it bad. LOL
Guess that will be a question to find out..

Ya! I thought it was retarded. I wasn't driving down the block at full throttle where it would hit 60mph.. I was going way under speed limit for sure, testing out a new setup... I didn't want to argue with cop so i just went in, but for days I thought about how retarded that was.
Originally Posted by OneManArmy
Exactly. Especially following the Zimmerman case I would think that every case the person will be arrested, processed and released just to cover their political bases.

I would expect it.

If I was forced to shoot someone in defense of myself or my family I would probably lay the gun on the ground exactly where I was standing and sit down exactly where it happened.

My old communications teacher is doing like 25 year for shooting someone in "self defense" He was found to be lying in wait. Essentially someone called him and said...yo... they're coming to get you. He picked up his shot gun and sat down. As soon as the dudes head came in the window he took it off.

Murder.

Someone dies or is seriously injured and you're involved... gun, car, fist, fart... not something to be messed with.
I mean I completely understand and would go to trail IF i had to and explain the whole situation, as I just had killed someone. But it seems like there are many wrap arounds where self defense doesn't apply at all, because you did in-fact kill someone.

Because to me, self-defense is one of those things that depends on the person enacting it. A person like me who has never been introduced to guns or even dealt with robberies would feel in more danger, than possibly someone who has lived through it or know what there are doing like a few of the members posting in this thread. In all truth, IF I did have a gun at the time, I would've shot the guy because I was scared and couldn't think.


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Old Aug 2, 2013 | 01:26 PM
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In all truth, IF I did have a gun at the time, I would've shot the guy because I was scared and couldn't think.
That's the thing about threat, if YOU feel threatened, it can be justified to some extent - as long as you did not overreact. It becomes a fine line at that point and then you have a Zimmerman trial on your hands.
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Get some signs man...NRA sign, Beware of dog sign, ADT sign and just for ****s and giggles a Tapout sign

Its either that or burn the house down. Cant rob a house if it doesnt exist, amirite?
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Originally Posted by wrxBRAH
Get some signs man...NRA sign, Beware of dog sign, ADT sign and just for ****s and giggles a Tapout sign

Its either that or burn the house down. Cant rob a house if it doesnt exist, amirite?
bahaha this guy. lol

id make a custom sign:

Beware of Owner. Throws torque wrenches at intruders.

hahahaha
Old Aug 2, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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We have one from our late Rotty ( ):

I can make it to the fence in 2.9 seconds. Can YOU?

Not the exact one, but like this:


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We have one from our late Rotty ( ):

I can make it to the fence in 2.9 seconds. Can YOU?
hahah awesome!
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Originally Posted by 04GG
That's the thing about threat, if YOU feel threatened, it can be justified to some extent - as long as you did not overreact. It becomes a fine line at that point and then you have a Zimmerman trial on your hands.
I'm assuming that justification is up to the jury/judge?

It sounds like guns IMO just don't solve the issue of safety. sounds like they create a whole new page to the story.
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Get some signs man...NRA sign, Beware of dog sign, ADT sign and just for ****s and giggles a Tapout sign

Its either that or burn the house down. Cant rob a house if it doesnt exist, amirite?
LOL
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Originally Posted by theoutbackdream
I'm assuming that justification is up to the jury/judge?
Yes and there will obviously also be an investigation. Just like a murder, they can usually tell what happened by the forensics.

It sounds like guns IMO just don't solve the issue of safety. sounds like they create a whole new page to the story.
Yes they can complicate it for sure, but you and yours will still be around to tell the story, even if it isn't a nice story. They are definitely NOT the answer to every situation either, but sometimes just the fact that a thief knows you have a shotgun is enough to end things quickly and without further incident.

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