Another United Auto Workers "Victory"
10-11-2015, 07:40 PM
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Without hanging myself w work, I'll say we're non-union and I have no real big complaints to speak of.
Coming from where I was at, all I gotta say in regards to the Unions is this...
"Way to **** up NUMMI and stagnate an entire area of workers.".
If that won't suffice then let's look at how I was treated as a Union Member while at Autowest.
As much as I'd like to see Sergio fix all of Chrysler's problems, some of this is beyond him and honestly I hope he kicks the Union to the curb and the other 2 domestics do the same.
Coming from where I was at, all I gotta say in regards to the Unions is this...
"Way to **** up NUMMI and stagnate an entire area of workers.".
If that won't suffice then let's look at how I was treated as a Union Member while at Autowest.
As much as I'd like to see Sergio fix all of Chrysler's problems, some of this is beyond him and honestly I hope he kicks the Union to the curb and the other 2 domestics do the same.
10-11-2015, 08:25 PM
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Yep. Get rid of them so they can go this route:
Subaru?s secret: Marginalized foreign workers power an export boom
(.. and line executive pockets with tens of millions in bonus money.)
Subaru?s secret: Marginalized foreign workers power an export boom
(.. and line executive pockets with tens of millions in bonus money.)
10-12-2015, 08:16 AM
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Well this escalated quickly 
Nice job reading nothing but the article headline 
So I am guessing you will now be trading your STi than in exchange for something more socially conscious? Toyota Prius perhaps?
Wait, you mean malicious extortion and fear mongering is bad?! *GASP*
And they are not illegal immigrants! They are undocumented residents with hardship struggles. We should be considerate to their plight! /Sarcasm
Hmmmmm Yes. Yes. Not going there Yes. Seriously? Yes.
Yep. Get rid of them so they can go this route:
Subaru?s secret: Marginalized foreign workers power an export boom
(.. and line executive pockets with tens of millions in bonus money.)
Subaru?s secret: Marginalized foreign workers power an export boom
(.. and line executive pockets with tens of millions in bonus money.)
So I am guessing you will now be trading your STi than in exchange for something more socially conscious? Toyota Prius perhaps?And they are not illegal immigrants! They are undocumented residents with hardship struggles. We should be considerate to their plight! /Sarcasm
Yes. Seriously? Yes.
10-12-2015, 08:57 AM
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You mean they had protected employment and benefits during the 8 years of economic depression, sub standard quality, crappy sales outside SUVs and trucks, tax payer funded bankruptcies and tens of billions in government bailout money? Regardless that they directly contributed to that situation to begin with? And now that the things have turned out, they have forgotten history and returned to their business as usual practices. If this was truly a solution why are other car manufacturers are doing just fine if not better making cars here?
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Nice job reading nothing but the article headline So I am guessing you will now be trading your STi than in exchange for something more socially conscious? Toyota Prius perhaps?
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Nice job reading nothing but the article headline
So I am guessing you will now be trading your STi than in exchange for something more socially conscious? Toyota Prius perhaps?You think The Big Three has mostly ****ty cars, bankruptcies, bailouts, poor sales because of the assembly line? False. They have ****ty cars because all of the concept, design, source fabrication, interior material decisions get made from the top down. Idiots were green lighting Excursions and Hummers in the middle of a skyrocketing fuel prices, waiving off ignition switches to save a few cents per unit. They put off eco-friendly cars years because they thought adoption rate would be slower. Sure assembly affects quality. The rest of the things I mentioned affect it much more. None of those involved in making larger business decisions are union workers. Cutting costs may increase profit (read: shareholder value) but will do nothing to magically make them not produce crappy cars.
Union pensions might be an issue. Unions as a whole are not.
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10-12-2015, 09:27 AM
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The bottom line is the first thing executives will do after gutting unions is **** over the worker bees to drive up stock for a couple of points and pad their bonuses.
You think The Big Three has mostly ****ty cars, bankruptcies, bailouts, poor sales because of the assembly line? False. They have ****ty cars because all of the concept, design, source fabrication, interior material decisions get made from the top down. Idiots were green lighting Excursions and Hummers in the middle of a skyrocketing fuel prices, waiving off ignition switches to save a few cents per unit. They put off eco-friendly cars years because they thought adoption rate would be slower. Sure assembly affects quality. The rest of the things I mentioned affect it much more. None of those involved in making larger business decisions are union workers. Cutting costs may increase profit (read: shareholder value) but will do nothing to magically make them not produce crappy cars.
Union pensions might be an issue. Unions as a whole are not.
You think The Big Three has mostly ****ty cars, bankruptcies, bailouts, poor sales because of the assembly line? False. They have ****ty cars because all of the concept, design, source fabrication, interior material decisions get made from the top down. Idiots were green lighting Excursions and Hummers in the middle of a skyrocketing fuel prices, waiving off ignition switches to save a few cents per unit. They put off eco-friendly cars years because they thought adoption rate would be slower. Sure assembly affects quality. The rest of the things I mentioned affect it much more. None of those involved in making larger business decisions are union workers. Cutting costs may increase profit (read: shareholder value) but will do nothing to magically make them not produce crappy cars.
Union pensions might be an issue. Unions as a whole are not.
10-12-2015, 10:00 AM
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Keeping the STI, adding an eGolf to the fleet. (Probably a socially conscious conundrum there, but that's another matter.) Yes, I read the article. The bottom line is the first thing executives will do after gutting unions is **** over the worker bees to drive up stock for a couple of points and pad their bonuses.
You think The Big Three has mostly ****ty cars, bankruptcies, bailouts, poor sales because of the assembly line? False. They have ****ty cars because all of the concept, design, source fabrication, interior material decisions get made from the top down. Idiots were green lighting Excursions and Hummers in the middle of a skyrocketing fuel prices, waiving off ignition switches to save a few cents per unit. They put off eco-friendly cars years because they thought adoption rate would be slower. Sure assembly affects quality. The rest of the things I mentioned affect it much more. None of those involved in making larger business decisions are union workers. Cutting costs may increase profit (read: shareholder value) but will do nothing to magically make them not produce crappy cars.
Union pensions might be an issue. Unions as a whole are not.
You think The Big Three has mostly ****ty cars, bankruptcies, bailouts, poor sales because of the assembly line? False. They have ****ty cars because all of the concept, design, source fabrication, interior material decisions get made from the top down. Idiots were green lighting Excursions and Hummers in the middle of a skyrocketing fuel prices, waiving off ignition switches to save a few cents per unit. They put off eco-friendly cars years because they thought adoption rate would be slower. Sure assembly affects quality. The rest of the things I mentioned affect it much more. None of those involved in making larger business decisions are union workers. Cutting costs may increase profit (read: shareholder value) but will do nothing to magically make them not produce crappy cars.
Union pensions might be an issue. Unions as a whole are not.
Regarding unions. Again, you are not seeing the bigger picture. I agree with you regarding the concept, design and fabrication BUT probably not for the same reasons as you.
How much money and flexibility do you think was left over for those things after all of their labor costs contract obligations? How receptive or flexible were the union bosses to complete assembly line changes, retooling and education? Etc etc etc. Unions are in the habit of doing the most short sighted conservative self serving thing, not the most long term progressive value adding thing. "Reform" and "Union" cannot coexist in their current modern day versions. It is simple as that.
Also, the first thing I stated is that this should not be inferred as defending management as there are separate issues there (as well as the government). No one is innocent. But to each their own Kool Aid I guess.
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10-12-2015, 12:03 PM
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2 of 3 companies were going to fail and it wasn't just low sales. They are on the hook for crazy pensions, and labor costs.
So many other companies can produce here and the workers HERE, in the USA, are pretty damn happy.
In terms of Japan: That guy isn't a slave.
So many other companies can produce here and the workers HERE, in the USA, are pretty damn happy.
In terms of Japan: That guy isn't a slave.
10-12-2015, 12:13 PM
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And Ford being forward thinking redid their production, labor and structures. This enabled them to NOT have to turn to the public to stay a float.
In the end Chrysler could even survive without selling to yet another European giant. UAW is most definitely an issue here. and a growing one, because these obligations only grow, never get reduced.
In the end Chrysler could even survive without selling to yet another European giant. UAW is most definitely an issue here. and a growing one, because these obligations only grow, never get reduced.
10-12-2015, 12:50 PM
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And Ford being forward thinking redid their production, labor and structures. This enabled them to NOT have to turn to the public to stay a float.
In the end Chrysler could even survive without selling to yet another European giant. UAW is most definitely an issue here. and a growing one, because these obligations only grow, never get reduced.
In the end Chrysler could even survive without selling to yet another European giant. UAW is most definitely an issue here. and a growing one, because these obligations only grow, never get reduced.
10-12-2015, 01:46 PM
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I work a biopharmaceutical company where the operators in manufacturing and the facilities personnel are union. After what I've seen and heard, I'm not a fan of unions.
10-14-2015, 03:34 AM
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