aero effectiveness of roof fins on the evo8

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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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wings work by creating pressure differences between the top and the bottom. The air flow faster over one surface, and thanks to Bernoulli's effect, the pressure is different. On an airplane wing, the top surface is flat and the bottom is curved. This has the effect of making air flow faster over the top, resulting in a low pressure area above the wing, creating lift. On a typical car wing, it's flipped over causing the low pressure area underneath the wing.

Overall, the car will have the same sort of effect, which is why things like air dams and splitters create downforce (less air flowing under the car than over it creates a lower pressure area under the car).
You got that backwards, top is curved/bottom is flat but yeah that's right. The curve creates a greater distance, making the air flow faster according to Mr. Bernoulli. I had to study this stuff years ago, but my logbook vanished a few hours from my solo.

I was confused for a sec, but now it all makes sense how vortex generators on the roof would effectively kill the Bernoulli effect by slowing/disturbing the air flow (all things being equal and assuming constant flow under the car).

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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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ok, having read a bit more (so i can quit talking out of my butt), the curved surface of the wing causes the attached airflow to speed up, which results in a lower pressure area. if that's the case then, anything on the roof of the car which adds turbulence should slow down the air, raising the pressure (although with a drag penalty).
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by platypus
ok, having read a bit more (so i can quit talking out of my butt), the curved surface of the wing causes the attached airflow to speed up, which results in a lower pressure area. if that's the case then, anything on the roof of the car which adds turbulence should slow down the air, raising the pressure (although with a drag penalty).

Exactly what I was saying. Make the assumption that a car is shaped like an airplane wing (which it is, just not a good one). If you make turbulance on the top, you lower the speed and therefore increase the pressure of air above the car.
I'm still almost certain the Evo's spikes help becuase of this increase in pressure and not because of any effect it might throw at the rear wing. The nature of the way down force is meassured, however, makes the spikes look like they make the wing better...but really, they just help raise the air pressure above the car so it has more downforce over all. I think. The spikes definatly add drag though, that's a no brainer.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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yay i've learned something today.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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its all black magic and devils speak
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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its all black magic and devils speak
go back to editing your ACL's and leave this to the real engineers.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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It looks like the fins direct more fast moving air down the rear window, so that would actually lower the pressure on the rear of the car.

If you look at a race car usually the rear spoiler is slightly lower than the roofline, so it is in the fast stream of air coming off of the roof of the car. The evo's spoiler isn't tall enough to accomplish this by itself, so the vortex generators aid in altering the flow of air down closer to where the spoiler is.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by platypus
go back to editing your ACL's and leave this to the real engineers.


acl's are for CCNA's foo

im mui l33tAr then that..

in fact i am toying around with meterpreter and passiveX right now.. pretty damn cool stuff...

esp passiveX.. mui ninjah
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mbquarts
It looks like the fins direct more fast moving air down the rear window, so that would actually lower the pressure on the rear of the car.

If you look at a race car usually the rear spoiler is slightly lower than the roofline, so it is in the fast stream of air coming off of the roof of the car. The evo's spoiler isn't tall enough to accomplish this by itself, so the vortex generators aid in altering the flow of air down closer to where the spoiler is.

I'm not convinced the fins make the air move faster down the window. It seems to me that laminar air flow (big sheet of air not hitting the fins) would be faster and lower pressure than air that has fins stuck into it due to the increase in turbulance, but the article by motortrend seems to say what you're saying.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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if we look at the flow diagrams in the article, the car tested has no spoiler, so we can't really see the difference in flow to the spoiler itself.
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I'm pretty sure the spoiler is shown...

I think the blue and green areas are slower high pressure areas and the yellow area is low pressure.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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I think you're right on the labeling. I don't really trust those pictures, though, because the red areas in front of where the vortex generators are don't look similar enough...I'm thinking maybe some photoshop data manipulation...
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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oh yeah, i bet that is the spoiler

it was so itty bitty i dinna even see it.
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