756
you have to be kidding me
your posts and his posts are the only ones its not like everyone else moved on to a new subject
he isnt arguing he has facts/sources to back him up and you didnt have any thing.
did you not click on the links?
i agree lets move on because god knows i would want to if i just got served
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you have to be kidding me
your posts and his posts are the only ones its not like everyone else moved on to a new subject
he isnt arguing he has facts/sources to back him up and you didnt have any thing.
did you not click on the links?
i agree lets move on because god knows i would want to if i just got served
im just happy for the guy and glad i was there when he broke the record, as for you folks hatin' on him which you repeatedly deny (btw its so obvious that you do) i don't care...you can argue all you want, and i'd still wont' care that's allwll the thread title change since he just hit 757 a couple of nights back?
Last edited by subiedon; Aug 10, 2007 at 09:52 AM.
i don't really care who gets served or what have you.... facts, links, im just happy for the guy and glad i was there when he broke the record, as for you folks hatin' on him which you repeatedly deny (btw its so obvious that you do) i don't care...you can argue all you want, and i'd still wont' care
that's all
wll the thread title change since he just hit 757 a couple of nights back?
im just happy for the guy and glad i was there when he broke the record, as for you folks hatin' on him which you repeatedly deny (btw its so obvious that you do) i don't care...you can argue all you want, and i'd still wont' care that's allwll the thread title change since he just hit 757 a couple of nights back?
i dont care if he broke the record or not
if it was saves in a row i would be going nuts haha
but all im saying is he roided
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don't forget that steroids don't give you skill. If you can't hit the ball right, it doesn't matter how strong you are
i never heard any reports and i only care because ima dodger fan and thats a dodger record hehe
i agree completely its not 100% roids getting it out of the park
im not even saying 50%
but i am saying its something
im not even saying 50%
but i am saying its something
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canseco said it pretty well.. "steriods make regular players all stars, all stars into hall of famers, hall of famers into the greatest players ever."
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Educate yourself, then get back to me.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...GGFA0UDU65.DTL
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rpt/index.html
The tests never showed up positive because no one knew what to look for. (THG) would still be undetectiable if the FDA had not been tipped off by Trevor Graham in 2003. MLB didnt even institue a testing program untill 2005.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...GGFA0UDU65.DTL
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rpt/index.html
The tests never showed up positive because no one knew what to look for. (THG) would still be undetectiable if the FDA had not been tipped off by Trevor Graham in 2003. MLB didnt even institue a testing program untill 2005.
show me links to anything on gagne and roids
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This isn't factual in the slightest but sums up the GARGANTUAN amount of circumstantial evidence against Gagne, try to spin this one:
OK, can we please now just come out and all agree that Gagne's record for consecutive saves (84 in a row) and his 2003 NL Cy Young Award are both tainted? As tainted as any of Barry Bonds' achievements and Ken Caminiti's 1996 NL MVP Award.
Gagne went from mediocre starter with a low-90's fastball to Incredible Hulk-looking closer with a 98 mph fastball, a lame "Game Over" intro graphic and a ridiculous goatee. In three seasons as a starter he amassed a record of 11-14 before being switched to a closer at the start of the 2002 season. He saved 52 games that year. In 2003 he converted 55 of 55 save chances, becoming the fastest pitcher to ever reach the 100-save plateau.
In 2004 baseball announced they would be testing for steroids on an experimental basis, in a completely unrelated story, Gagne lost some of his effectiveness that season. Then in 2005 with a more stringent policy in effect, his body began to fall apart. He had Tommy John surgery in June of that year, then in 2006 he had more elbow issues and back pain before undergoing season-ending surgery on July 8.
OK, so an amazingly dominant guy's body falls apart right as baseball introduces a new stronger steroid policy. Hmmm, yeah we're sure it's all just a big coincidence.
Gagne went from mediocre starter with a low-90's fastball to Incredible Hulk-looking closer with a 98 mph fastball, a lame "Game Over" intro graphic and a ridiculous goatee. In three seasons as a starter he amassed a record of 11-14 before being switched to a closer at the start of the 2002 season. He saved 52 games that year. In 2003 he converted 55 of 55 save chances, becoming the fastest pitcher to ever reach the 100-save plateau.
In 2004 baseball announced they would be testing for steroids on an experimental basis, in a completely unrelated story, Gagne lost some of his effectiveness that season. Then in 2005 with a more stringent policy in effect, his body began to fall apart. He had Tommy John surgery in June of that year, then in 2006 he had more elbow issues and back pain before undergoing season-ending surgery on July 8.
OK, so an amazingly dominant guy's body falls apart right as baseball introduces a new stronger steroid policy. Hmmm, yeah we're sure it's all just a big coincidence.
oh ok like i said i have no clue
yes gagne hasnt done anything since the streak he has been injured the whole time pretty much
maybe throwing faster took its toll on his body
the funny thing is bonds said gagne is the best pitcher bar none for two innings
yes gagne hasnt done anything since the streak he has been injured the whole time pretty much
maybe throwing faster took its toll on his body
the funny thing is bonds said gagne is the best pitcher bar none for two innings