Oil Drain Problems..
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Hello, I've got a problem
Does anyone have any pictures of their oil drain setup for there turbo?
My 2.5RS has got smoke from the turbo; the turbo is brand new from turbonetics so I don't think its the turbo... everyone has said its the oil drain..
but unfortunatly my header has the turbo mounted too low to correct this... not in any way I can see...
Can anyone recommend a good header / downpipe fabricator
(Los Angeles)??
Has anyone had similar problems?
GM6
EJ253
knife edge crank
pauter rods
JE pistons
sleeved
port + polish
custom cams
T3/T04E Stage III
550 cc injectors
racing clutch + flywheel
custom headers (that suck)
Greddy FMIC
Supra Turbo Fuel Pump
Custom Fuel Rails
Gino
Does anyone have any pictures of their oil drain setup for there turbo?
My 2.5RS has got smoke from the turbo; the turbo is brand new from turbonetics so I don't think its the turbo... everyone has said its the oil drain..
but unfortunatly my header has the turbo mounted too low to correct this... not in any way I can see...
Can anyone recommend a good header / downpipe fabricator
(Los Angeles)??
Has anyone had similar problems?
GM6
EJ253
knife edge crank
pauter rods
JE pistons
sleeved
port + polish
custom cams
T3/T04E Stage III
550 cc injectors
racing clutch + flywheel
custom headers (that suck)
Greddy FMIC
Supra Turbo Fuel Pump
Custom Fuel Rails
Gino
Last edited by GinoEJ253; Dec 5, 2003 at 05:10 PM.
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It would probably be easier (and maybe cheaper) to get stock WRX headers and a crossmember, and WRX-intended up and downpipes. S-Squared Motorsports can help you source the parts. There shouldn't be any favrication necessary other than new oil feed lines and you will notice the car holding boost better with the stock WRX headers. I am going to be doing all this soon on my 2001 GM6, and I will be posting all the details of my turbo install as soon as it is finished.
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Yeah I was considering picking up a cusco or greddy wrx header
but the problem with that is they are made for mitsubitshi / IHI type turbos and the bolt pattern is totally different on garrett / turbonetics T3 turbines
but I guess having the correct flanges welded on would be easier than a whole new fab job
but I would also have to replace my water pump (for the header to fit) then I would have to yank my engine and put in the other cross member... [can you do a x-member swap without an engine pull?]
All of that sounds like allot of work I don't want to do....
dunno i guess i have to thank it over...
thanks though..
Gino
but the problem with that is they are made for mitsubitshi / IHI type turbos and the bolt pattern is totally different on garrett / turbonetics T3 turbines
but I guess having the correct flanges welded on would be easier than a whole new fab job
but I would also have to replace my water pump (for the header to fit) then I would have to yank my engine and put in the other cross member... [can you do a x-member swap without an engine pull?]
All of that sounds like allot of work I don't want to do....
dunno i guess i have to thank it over...
thanks though..
Gino
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You can get a uppipeless manifold and get a T3 uppipe adapter/uppipe.
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Your smoking turbo problems. It could be one of the following:
Bad turbo seals. -- Get turbo rebuilt. They sometimes are bad even on new turbos.
Bad oil drain. Too low. You need to check and make sure that the oil is draining well.
Too big of a oil feed line. What size is yours?
Too much crankcase pressure. -- Install proper crankcase ventilation to the intake to reduce that.
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Your smoking turbo problems. It could be one of the following:
Bad turbo seals. -- Get turbo rebuilt. They sometimes are bad even on new turbos.
Bad oil drain. Too low. You need to check and make sure that the oil is draining well.
Too big of a oil feed line. What size is yours?
Too much crankcase pressure. -- Install proper crankcase ventilation to the intake to reduce that.
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Thanks Imprezer..
My crankcase ventalation seems ok..
The oil feed line is -4 I believe
I'm taking oil from the rear service bolt instead of the front
stock oil pressure Fitting.. (according to what I have they both or on the same positive pressure vein in the block)
my guage is hooked up to that same feed and I get 5.5kg roughly
1.5-2.2 kg on idle
The turbo just came back from turbonetics so I'm going to rule out bad seals..(which was why i sent it in)
so that leaves drain i suppose...
ugg...
Imprezer.. you used to run the Cusco JDM manifold..
did it clear the USDM water pump??
My crankcase ventalation seems ok..
The oil feed line is -4 I believe
I'm taking oil from the rear service bolt instead of the front
stock oil pressure Fitting.. (according to what I have they both or on the same positive pressure vein in the block)
my guage is hooked up to that same feed and I get 5.5kg roughly
1.5-2.2 kg on idle
The turbo just came back from turbonetics so I'm going to rule out bad seals..(which was why i sent it in)
so that leaves drain i suppose...
ugg...
Imprezer.. you used to run the Cusco JDM manifold..
did it clear the USDM water pump??
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Good "manigold" has nothing to do with crank pressure. Nether does catch-tank. As long as the hoses are routed back into the pre-turbo intake, it should be ok.
Also, check your PCV valve. You might want to get a turbo one, since if yours is not strong enough or is broken, you will be pressurising the crankcase with your charged air. Kapish?
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Yes, I did try the CUSCO manifold on the 2.5RS back in the days. Waterpump clearance is not an issue. Thermostat housing is. So, you have to use turbo waterpump which has a thermostat housing in a different place.
For oil return, where are you returning oil to? Show me a pic.
Also, check your PCV valve. You might want to get a turbo one, since if yours is not strong enough or is broken, you will be pressurising the crankcase with your charged air. Kapish?

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Yes, I did try the CUSCO manifold on the 2.5RS back in the days. Waterpump clearance is not an issue. Thermostat housing is. So, you have to use turbo waterpump which has a thermostat housing in a different place.
For oil return, where are you returning oil to? Show me a pic.
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No digi-cam yet.. trying to bid on a Nikon 5700 (but thats another story)
I'm draining into the oil pan on the passenger side (further towards the firewall right next to the oil filter)
I just hooked up my greddy catch tank..
I used to be venting the crank case into air.. now its pre-turbo intake
As for the PCV it was also venting to air (via a mini KNN)
but i switched it around.. so its pre-turbo intake too..
I don't think PCV blowing into crank case is an issue since I have those two guys seperated from each other
Will see if that makes a difference.. I'm just waiting for my new Earls adapter for the oil pan bung I installed... I switched up to -12 fittings and lines.. that should be big enough..
No Cusco manifold with USDM pump ehh... well I don't have the energy to pull the timing belt for a pump swap so I guess I'll just have to hunt down someone willing to fab me a custom header..
too bad nobody makes an equal length manifold for USDM imprezas [98-00]
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I'm draining into the oil pan on the passenger side (further towards the firewall right next to the oil filter)
I just hooked up my greddy catch tank..
I used to be venting the crank case into air.. now its pre-turbo intake
As for the PCV it was also venting to air (via a mini KNN)
but i switched it around.. so its pre-turbo intake too..
I don't think PCV blowing into crank case is an issue since I have those two guys seperated from each other
Will see if that makes a difference.. I'm just waiting for my new Earls adapter for the oil pan bung I installed... I switched up to -12 fittings and lines.. that should be big enough..
No Cusco manifold with USDM pump ehh... well I don't have the energy to pull the timing belt for a pump swap so I guess I'll just have to hunt down someone willing to fab me a custom header..
too bad nobody makes an equal length manifold for USDM imprezas [98-00]
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Actually, timing belt on a SOHC motor is very easy. You can do it in about one hour. Even on the DOHC, the complexity is usually overstated. It is not easy at all.
When I say PCV, I mean the little connector that is bolted into your intake manifold being the TB. All it is a one way valve. It lets the air go one way, INTO the intake. That happens only under vaccum condition. So, one you go on boost, the valve closes and doesnt allow the air to go through the valve into the crank case.
Since NA cars never see any pressure above 0 vaccum. The turbo PCV might be better suited for your application. I am not sure if they are diff, but it would be a good idea to switch to a new WRX PCV, since they do tend to go bad after some time with all the oil and other crap bulding up in it. So, if it "leaks" you will pressurise your crank case. And, when that happens, the pressure leaks through the easist way. In your case that would be turbo oil seal. Next thing, you will pop your cam and crank seal.
That, of course, is true if your PCV is in fact bad.
Sorry for so much info. I am drunk and I am bored. I am surpised however, how much I can talk about Subaru's even after 4 bottles of wine for 2 people, hahahjaksdaknmda.
When I say PCV, I mean the little connector that is bolted into your intake manifold being the TB. All it is a one way valve. It lets the air go one way, INTO the intake. That happens only under vaccum condition. So, one you go on boost, the valve closes and doesnt allow the air to go through the valve into the crank case.
Since NA cars never see any pressure above 0 vaccum. The turbo PCV might be better suited for your application. I am not sure if they are diff, but it would be a good idea to switch to a new WRX PCV, since they do tend to go bad after some time with all the oil and other crap bulding up in it. So, if it "leaks" you will pressurise your crank case. And, when that happens, the pressure leaks through the easist way. In your case that would be turbo oil seal. Next thing, you will pop your cam and crank seal.
That, of course, is true if your PCV is in fact bad.
Sorry for so much info. I am drunk and I am bored. I am surpised however, how much I can talk about Subaru's even after 4 bottles of wine for 2 people, hahahjaksdaknmda.
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Yes your drunk...
you know they have made a cure for that i heard...
Yeah I've replaced my timing belt before.. but its just not something I really want to do.. but I suppose its easier than the fabbing a manifold idea... good point
I know what the PCV check valve is...
Maybe I'll order a turbo one just in case.. but I don't think its leaking... after all.. this problem occurs at idle..
so that points me to oil drain... i.e. crappy header..
well if I get the cusco headers then i just need to have an uppipe and downpipe fabed and i'm done...
Thats not so bad..
you know they have made a cure for that i heard...
Yeah I've replaced my timing belt before.. but its just not something I really want to do.. but I suppose its easier than the fabbing a manifold idea... good point
I know what the PCV check valve is...
Maybe I'll order a turbo one just in case.. but I don't think its leaking... after all.. this problem occurs at idle..
so that points me to oil drain... i.e. crappy header..
well if I get the cusco headers then i just need to have an uppipe and downpipe fabed and i'm done...
Thats not so bad..
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hey dude....
I know the their not the prettiest pipes around, but LS will still sell you an upipe/downpipe combo. You can use Borla's or stock exhaust manifold with those.
I have them attached to the borlas and I'm very pleased.
The turbo will be high enough then for oil drain not to be a problem.
I know the their not the prettiest pipes around, but LS will still sell you an upipe/downpipe combo. You can use Borla's or stock exhaust manifold with those.
I have them attached to the borlas and I'm very pleased.
The turbo will be high enough then for oil drain not to be a problem.
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