National Guardsman Could Be Sent To Iraq In Two Weeks

UPDATED: 11:34 AM EST November 8, 2004

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A National Guard soldier who has been ordered to duty in Iraq is challenging the involuntarily extension of his enlistment.

The "stop-loss" program extends enlistment during war or national emergencies. It could keep tens of thousands of personnel in the military beyond their expected time of service.

The Army National Guardsman, who isn't being identified by name, argues the policy doesn't apply to the National Guard. His lawyers said the provision can legally be used only when Congress declares war, which it hasn't in Iraq.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3899381/detail.html

Salty, what is your take on something like this? The whole part about congress not actually declaring war on Iraq seems to hold some ground but I don't know enough about military affairs to really make a judgement.

Im actually VERY worried about this. My mom is in the reserves so she might get called in. Seriously worried if she goes to Iraq. :(

The stop was alive and well when I got out in 2003 just after Afghanistan and Operation Anaconda. The stop loss was lifted for 11series soldiers shortly after and I got out of the service. I know the same thing happened for Paul (Oaf) during Desert Storm V1.0.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone in uniform. Everyone is aware of the stop-loss program and takes that risk when signing the papers. You're not signing toilet paper before you swear-in at your local MEPS station, those words on the papers actually mean something as you apply your wet signature. Just like any other properly executed black signature on legitimate documents is binding...

I'm so sick of soldiers claiming the NG/Reserves is excluded simply because they got in over their head and didn't know what they were getting into. If he gets by on the 'congress not declaring war' loophole then I guess he lucky...

I agree with Salty, I served in Iraq under a stop loss order (like I would have left the service right before a war anyway)

never mind

I'm so sick of soldiers claiming the NG/Reserves is excluded simply because they got in over their head and didn't know what they were getting into. If he gets by on the 'congress not declaring war' loophole then I guess he lucky...

I get that and agree. If you sign the dotted line then you get whatever they give. I have a buddy over there on stop loss, I'm told. He is a reservist, and has never complained to me ever. (aside from b*tching that he had to go to guard weekend the next day while we were out getting loaded!) ;) One of the most upstanding men I have ever met...

I know the same thing happened for Paul (Oaf) during Desert Storm V1.0.

Ooooh, don't get me started about Stop Loss...I missed the terminal leave cut off by two freaking days!
If I'd just taken two less days of leave that summer....
Yes, it sucked having to turn in my ID card to get one that had an ETS date 5 YEARS in the future!
Yes, everyone in my platoon *****ed for a few days but then we settled down & carried on with the business at hand.

In a related story, we received a platoon-worth of recalled soldiers. Talk about some pissed off campers...this one E4 was a Junior in college when he was recalled....he had served with 7th ID in that Panama thing.
Upper management decided that it would be best to put a few of these "recalls" in each platoon, which had the net effect of lowering everyone's morale.
The fix: Consolidate all the "recalls" into one platoon. Picture 36 guys looking like they've slept in their BDUs for a month, boots that have never been polished, etc.
Don't know what ever happened to those poor bastards.

Ooooh, don't get me started about Stop Loss...I missed the terminal leave cut off by two freaking days!
If I'd just taken two less days of leave that summer....

Let's see... I took block leave every single time and never lost a day on my LES ;).

One of the battalion S1 PAC NCO's was a drinking buddy of mine. So when it was time block leave I'd be sure to work out a personal deal with him free of charge to "loose" my papers.

The price of business was simple and helped me out too. We normally charged $30-60 for others to do the same. They'd ask me to talk to the PAC NCO and I'd take the appropriate handling fee of about 25%. haha.

I actually came down to use -or- loose twice for me and 68days of terminal leave :D

That was just the icing on the cake a far as how corrupt the Army made me...

Let's see... I took block leave every single time and never lost a day on my LES ;).

One of the battalion S1 PAC NCO's was a drinking buddy of mine. So when it was time block leave I'd be sure to work out a personal deal with him free of charge to "loose" my papers.

The price of business was simple and helped me out too. We normally charged $30-60 for others to do the same. They'd ask me to talk to the PAC NCO and I'd take the appropriate handling fee of about 25%. haha.

I actually came down to use -or- loose twice for me and 68days of terminal leave :D

That was just the icing on the cake a far as how corrupt the Army made me...


Some revealing details from Salty...hahaha

The price of business was simple and helped me out too. We normally charged $30-60 for others to do the same. They'd ask me to talk to the PAC NCO and I'd take the appropriate handling fee of about 25%. haha.

I actually came down to use -or- loose twice for me and 68days of terminal leave :D

That was just the icing on the cake a far as how corrupt the Army made me...

I would hate to see what would happen if somebody else posted this... they would be court-martialed by all the Sgt Slaughters on this board

:D

they would be court-martialed by all the Sgt Slaughters on this board

hahahahahaha Sgt. Slaughter! He was sweet!

phat... this is the banner at the bottom of the page currently (at 0 14 hundred PST)

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CLXg3f6y6Iz1QhDYBRhPMghUnmVZdzTeMQ

Well obviously everyone understand what they signed.... but still they all have familys and no one wants to have there loved ones away from them. :(

I would hate to see what would happen if somebody else posted this... they would be court-martialed by all the Sgt Slaughters on this board

:D

Your post brings back a lot of memories of the waste I saw & participated in while at Fort Lewis. I wish I had a video camera back then.
The supply SGT would habitually order too much food for when we were playing war games.
Then, at the end of said war games, we would take all of the unused food, mostly canned T rations, to the dump at Yakima Firing Center and toss 'em in...after poking a hole in each can with a bayonet.
I literally disposed of thousands of $ worth of very good food.
When asked why we do this, the supply sgt said that he has to order too much so that he gets enough, but he he turned in the excess, he was worried that the next time he ordered he would be shorted.

Strange ****ing logic to me.

Your post brings back a lot of memories of the waste I saw & participated in while at Fort Lewis. I wish I had a video camera back then.
The supply SGT would habitually order too much food for when we were playing war games.
Then, at the end of said war games, we would take all of the unused food, mostly canned T rations, to the dump at Yakima Firing Center and toss 'em in...after poking a hole in each can with a bayonet.
I literally disposed of thousands of $ worth of very good food.
When asked why we do this, the supply sgt said that he has to order too much so that he gets enough, but he he turned in the excess, he was worried that the next time he ordered he would be shorted.

Strange ****ing logic to me.

LMFAO.

Have you ever had a ammo point NCO dump thousands of rounds of 7.62/5.56 linked along with live ordnance into a lake for the very same reason?! :p


Well someone from one of my sister units did that and is still paying the price.

LMFAO.

Have you ever had a ammo point NCO dump thousands of rounds of 7.62/5.56 linked along with live ordnance into a lake for the very same reason?! :p


Well someone from one of my sister units did that and is still paying the price.

Allow me post whore one more time

Well, seeing as I worked in Ammo Section, I can attest to the shear waste of munitions.
At the time, an M16A2 round (M885?) cost about 11 pennies/each.
On average, Ft Lewis ASP disposed of 30,000/month by burning them.
Using Oaf Math: .11 X 30000 X 12 = $39,600/year of just M16A2 ammo wasted.

Then there's all the C4, Dynamite, det cord, Claymore Mines, LAWs,etc that I have no idea how much they cost.

Makes my head spin...

Damn... now we know where the billions and billions of dollars is ending up :confused:

Seriously though, doesnt this stuff piss you guys off. After all, you are the ones kinda getting the shaft

Damn... now we know where the billions and billions of dollars is ending up :confused:

And just think... I’ve personally fired $800,000.00 worth of Javelin Missiles during 1 day of training. :D

Damn... now we know where the billions and billions of dollars is ending up :confused:

Seriously though, doesnt this stuff piss you guys off. After all, you are the ones kinda getting the shaft

Yes, it annoys me. I wrote my Congressman several times right after leaving the Army & never got a satisfactory answer.
Got the same level of dis-service from Boxer & Feinstein.
Now you know why I get pissed when people favor tax increases...just imagine all the money being wasted throughout the government.

And just think... I’ve personally fired $800,000.00 worth of Javelin Missiles during 1 day of training.

It's not "wasting" money if yer blowing up shiznit.
All of the Dragon rounds that I fired were nearing their expiration date or had already expired.
Nothing more satisfying then using a $50,000 missle to dig a hole in the dirt.

It's not "wasting" money if yer blowing up shiznit.
All of the Dragon rounds that I fired were nearing their expiration date or had already expired.
Nothing more satisfying then using a $50,000 missle to dig a hole in the dirt.

2C > C2 :D