Congratulations, George W. Bush!

He's back by popular demand! Finally, I can relax.

:confused:

-Chris

Oh, I get it. This is the same tactic Bush uses concerning Iraq having WMDs and a link with Osama... say it enough and it must be true.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/history/brinkley/3651/photos/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

The polls in the east aren't even open yet. :rolleyes:

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/history/brinkley/3651/photos/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

That is great....Don't feel bad HellaDumb, you will make it through eight Democratic years! :D

That is great....Don't feel bad HellaDumb, you will make it through eight Democratic years! :D

Yeah, you are right. I could quit my 6 figure job and live like a king on welfare. Shucks, I can even have more kids and get paid for it! I live in the hood now, so I'll have to move into one of the newfangled low income housing complexes.
Screw my old furniture, did you know the government pays for that too?

We all know Tort reform aint gonna happen under Kerry, so I'm going to raise everyone's monthly premium by suing doctors for my back pain, attention deficit disorder, and asthma!

....I'm going to raise everyone's monthly premium by suing doctors for my back pain, attention deficit disorder, and asthma!


Man, I'd love to be on the jury for one of those cases!

I could quit my 6 figure job

... thus proving that intelligence and the ability to make money are not intertwined

... thus proving that intelligence and the ability to make money are not intertwined

Zing!!!!!!!

... thus proving that intelligence and the ability to make money are not intertwined

... thus proving that intelligence and the ability to take other peoples money are not intertwined.

double ZING!!!!!

... thus proving that intelligence and the ability to make money are not intertwined

You proved it first. =)

Ok, so I posted this a day early. Free bump for accuracy!

... thus proving that intelligence and the ability to make money are not intertwined

More personal attacks from you. Moderator?

Four more years of American soldiers being used as cannon fodder.

Four more years of scientific decisions being made by people who believe in a ghost in the clouds.

Four more years of debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay off.

Four more years of racists and lunatics for judicial appointments

Four more years of looting the treasury and squandering it on corporate cronies.

Four more years of making enemies faster than we can kill them.

Four more years of fear and darkness and racism and hatred and stupidity and guns and bad country music.


"Good, Go Ahead, America, Choke on Your Own Vomit, You Deserve to Die." "

+the national debt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, at least halo comes out next week.


hella, i think you owe us all a drink :D

"Good, Go Ahead, America, Choke on Your Own Vomit, You Deserve to Die." "

See, liberalism is a mental disorder. Your hatred for conservatism is twisted and has become hatred against our great nation.

does this mean you won't buy me a drink?

(and actually somebody else said that- that's why I left the quotation marks)

See, liberalism is a mental disorder. Your hatred for conservatism is twisted and has become hatred against our great nation.

ahahaha, what are you talking about, you feel the same way about liberalism!

NOW WHERE'S MAH BOOZE!!!???

More personal attacks from you. Moderator?


haha... you are joking, right? The guy is self-proclaimed as being "hella dumb".

Four more years of scientific decisions being made by people who believe in a ghost in the clouds."

Attacking the President is one thing, but peoples religion is another! Maybe it would be best to leave God out of this.

"Good, Go Ahead, America, Choke on Your Own Vomit, You Deserve to Die." "

I don't care who wrote it-- how very unamerican. Flags have been burned too, is that your next goal. The only "Vomit" here is spuwing from your mouth!

Attacking the President is one thing, but peoples religion is another! Maybe it would be best to leave God out of this

No, it needs to be attacked, if you want to believe in that absurd mythology, go ahead - thats why this country is so great, you can do that and not get lynched - however, there is a time and a place for it, and the white house is not that place. There has never really been seperation of church and state, just jesus ****ing christ people, you have to at least try to make it LOOK like there is. Thank god the stem cell research passed, what an abusrd hitch caused by religous zealotry.

yay, my vote counted

God bless America, my home sweet home...

No, it needs to be attacked, if you want to believe in that absurd mythology, go ahead - thats why this country is so great, you can do that and not get lynched - however, there is a time and a place for it, and the white house is not that place. There has never really been seperation of church and state, just jesus ****ing christ people, you have to at least try to make it LOOK like there is. Thank god the stem cell research passed, what an abusrd hitch caused by religous zealotry.

"...It needs to be attacked..."? Think what you want about religion, but there is no excuse for a comment like that. I am glad you can be so BOLD on the computer, but I bet you would hold back on such meaningless and spiteful attacks if we were face to face.

I voted against stem cell research, they get them from slaughtered children you know. If they could get them without the baby killing I'd be all for it.

I voted against stem cell research, they get them from slaughtered children you know. If they could get them without the baby killing I'd be all for it.

They can-- adult stem cells. Wich are the only stem cells provin to be effective thus far.

I have a twin brother who is paraplegic (from the waist down) and my dad is quadriplegic (from the neck down). So this is a very important issue to me, as well as a hard decission to make. I don't believe in taking life to try and better or save life, but I also had my family to consider. I chose not to vote on the issue.

I voted against stem cell research, they get them from slaughtered children you know. If they could get them without the baby killing I'd be all for it.


You poor, misinformed individual. Slaughtered children...right...THE EMBRYOS THEY USE WOULD BE DISPOSED OF ANYWAY, DICK! It's not like they have slaughter houses where they kill embryos for research...damn the stupidity, damn the religion, damn the right wing...

You poor, misinformed individual. Slaughtered children...right...THE EMBRYOS THEY USE WOULD BE DISPOSED OF ANYWAY, DICK! It's not like they have slaughter houses where they kill embryos for research...damn the stupidity, damn the religion, damn the right wing...

They are using the embrios they already have. This type of research is not illegal, it just isn't funded. But you are right, they are not "exactly" children, but they are lifes. And not all right wingers are against funding this type of research. Gov. Arnold campained for it in California... and won.

"...It needs to be attacked..."? Think what you want about religion, but there is no excuse for a comment like that. I am glad you can be so BOLD on the computer, but I bet you would hold back on such meaningless and spiteful attacks if we were face to face.

Um, no - i'd tell you that to your face, i have no qualms with that - sorry bud. I'm not an aggressive outspoken dude in person, but i'll call you on your crazy beliefs for sure.

I voted against stem cell research, they get them from slaughtered children you know. If they could get them without the baby killing I'd be all for it.

Hhahahaha, oh really? FROM SLAUGHTERED CHILDREN? Is that REALLY where they get them? Uhg, do some homework there cheif.

More personal attacks from you. Moderator?

Still withing safe boundaries. (read rules)

You poor, misinformed individual. Slaughtered children...right...THE EMBRYOS THEY USE WOULD BE DISPOSED OF ANYWAY, DICK! It's not like they have slaughter houses where they kill embryos for research...damn the stupidity, damn the religion, damn the right wing...

Where did they get them from if they already have them? Are they not from abortions? How far along are these embrios? All that I know is at a month and a half my unborn child already has a heart beat. I'm not a dick and I may be uninformed but I was under the impression that these were taken out of pregnant women and were completely "viable" until they were scraped out. On another note is this something that taxpayers should be funding?

Um, no - i'd tell you that to your face, i have no qualms with that - sorry bud. I'm not an aggressive outspoken dude in person, but i'll call you on your crazy beliefs for sure.

You can dissagree and dispute religion all you want, there is nothing wrong with that. However, saying that "Religion needs to be attacked..." is not the same, and I for one will not stand for it. What justifies this comment? I am not at all a religious fanatic; I rarely go to church, but this claim is uncalled for. You can claim my beliefs are "crazy" all you want, but when you call for an attack on them, you call for an attack on me-- and that I will not stand for.

You can dissagree and dispute religion all you want, there is nothing wrong with that. However, saying that "Religion needs to be attacked..." is not the same, and I for one will not stand for it. What justifies this comment? I am not at all a religious fanatic; I rarely go to church, but this claim is uncalled for. You can claim my beliefs are "crazy" all you want, but when you call for an attack on them, you call for an attack on me-- and that I will not stand for.

I think what he means is religions use in politics needs to be attacked.

sloppyjoe and constellation - E-thug extrordinaire's!!! ;)

I think what he means is religions use in politics needs to be attacked.

sloppyjoe and constellation - E-thug extrordinaire's!!!

Yeah, thats all i meant - religion is fine - i think the only way you can believe it is if its mashed into your skull while its still soft - or your a recovering substance abuser who needs a diversion from what appears to be a meaningless life. But oh well, right?


Salty - E-thug, huh? OH YEAH? YOU WANNA MAKE SOMTHING OF IT? My dad was part of a crack team of ninja commando's in vietnam and.......:D

I think what he means is religions use in politics needs to be attacked.

sloppyjoe and constellation - E-thug extrordinaire's!!! ;)

Understood-- thanks for the clarification.

Where did they get them from if they already have them? Are they not from abortions? How far along are these embrios? All that I know is at a month and a half my unborn child already has a heart beat. I'm not a dick and I may be uninformed but I was under the impression that these were taken out of pregnant women and were completely "viable" until they were scraped out. On another note is this something that taxpayers should be funding?

Any one?

Those people against stem cell research need to go look into it more. You have your facts wrong. And we need a bunch more lines. And I strongly believe religion should play NO part in politics. Will it happen, obviously not concidering who won this election. Sigh, stupid religious right.

Its not hard deyes go on google and type in stem cell research... Im not going to do the research for you but your wrong. They are not taken out of pregnant woman then used. And yes it should be something taxpayers should be funding the end result will cause us to have tons of benifits. The faster this is done the better for all.

That whole seperation of church and state..... thing..... has kind of been forgotten.

That whole seperation of church and state..... thing..... has kind of been forgotten.

Thats because it was never truly enforced.

Where did they get them from if they already have them? Are they not from abortions? How far along are these embrios? All that I know is at a month and a half my unborn child already has a heart beat. I'm not a dick and I may be uninformed but I was under the impression that these were taken out of pregnant women and were completely "viable" until they were scraped out. On another note is this something that taxpayers should be funding?

Deyes try this link
link (http://www.mos.org/cst/article/1472/1.html)

Deyes try this link

i couldnt find the part where they rip them from the rotting carcasses of slaughtered children...


I'm sure its there though, my minister said so.

i couldnt find the part where they rip them from the rotting carcasses of slaughtered children...


I'm sure its there though, my minister said so.

Give me a break. You are the least tolerant liberal I have ever encountered.

Deyes try this link
link (http://www.mos.org/cst/article/1472/1.html)

Thanks, they don't say where they get the embryo's from so I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that they come from abortions, no? I'm not for banning abortions, but I find them morally appauling! There are very few cases where I would find them morally acceptable, and I am not of a mind to say "Well people are doing it so we might as well use them for research.". At what point is it that abortion clinics exist to perform abortions for the benefit of the expectant mother or to "harvest" stem cells from aborted embryos?

I find abortion unethical, but to each thier own. Constalletion, the visual you described was uncalled for in my humble opinion.

Thanks, they don't say where they get the embryo's from so I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that they come from abortions, no? I'm not for banning abortions, but I find them morally appauling! There are very few cases where I would find them morally acceptable, and I am not of a mind to say "Well people are doing it so we might as well use them for research.". At what point is it that abortion clinics exist to perform abortions for the benefit of the expectant mother or to "harvest" stem cells from aborted embryos?


They use eggs that would be thrown away. They don't take them from mothers. I don't know where your getting this from. Abortions are not a easy thing for woman to have, I wish we had a woman in here she could explain it better than I could ever wish too. Simply put its a very emotional and physical ordeal. No one in there right mind would have a partial birth abortion. Don't fall for that gemic that the religious right is spewing.

Link

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/faqs.asp#wherefrom

The egg must be fertilizes before it can become an embryo so they do get them from mothers. If not you are telling me that they are from envitro ferilization? I highly doubt that since the success rate for envitro is so small.

The egg must be fertilizes before it can become an embryo so no. Are you telling me that they are from envitro ferilization? I highly doubt that since the success rate for envitro is so small.

When do you think life starts?

Better question: Are you a catholic?

When do you think life starts?

Better question: Are you a catholic?

If death is the when the heart and brainwaves cease, I'd logically say that life starts when they start.

When do you think life starts?

Better question: Are you a catholic?

Nope not a catholic. I'm not attending any church right now.

If death is the when the heart and brainwaves cease, I'd logically say that life starts when they start.

I'd say logically that being alive is when your not dead, and being dead is when you can no longer be kept alive. Clear as mud.

They use eggs that would be thrown away. They don't take them from mothers.]
They have eggs now that would be thrown away(wich they have made no progress with to date) if they were not being used for research. But new embrios will be needed in order to continue research, and they have to come from somewhere don't they?
No one in there right mind would have a partial birth abortion.
This type of abortion had been performed many times up untill the partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003

But new embrios will be needed in order to continue research, and they have to come from somewhere don't they?


Everyone who opposes stem cell research really needs to do some research on the topic before they talk about it.

The stem cells come from embryos that would be discarded after a couple has been successfully (or unsuccessfully) fertilized through in utero fertilization. They are just going to be thrown away. We might as well use them to do some living humans some good.

Go here and read about it before you develop your opinion.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp

Everyone who opposes stem cell research really needs to do some research on the topic before they talk about it.

The stem cells come from embryos that would be discarded after a couple has been successfully (or unsuccessfully) fertilized through in utero fertilization. They are just going to be thrown away. We might as well use them to do some living humans some good.

Go here and read about it before you develop your opinion.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp

I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.

I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.

I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.

I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.

I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.

I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.


Your sperm is a potential human heing. Stop nutting in a towel. The "life" is leftovers from invitro fertilization that would otherwise be thrown away. Do you propose we do away with I.F.?

-Chris

I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.

I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.

I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.


Almost all of the embryos they use are from fertility clinics. In other words, they are 'spares' that people make in case the embryo they have implanted doesn't work. So these embryos would either A) be thrown away or B) used for stem cell research. Which option is better mother f***er?!?!


As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.

Almost all of the embryos they use are from fertility clinics. In other words, they are 'spares' that people make in case the embryo they have implanted doesn't work. So these embryos would either A) be thrown away or B) used for stem cell research. Which option is better mother f***er?!?!


As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.

Well stem cell research is wrong but killing over 100,000 iraqi's to get rid of (ghost) WMD's is morally "right". (pun intended)

I know how the research is performed. They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research.

I don't think that because these embryos are being created in petri dishes we should disreguard the fact that they are still potential human beings.

I stand nuetral on the issue. It is too hard of a decision for me to make.


eerk. Dude, there is an almost infinite span between "potential life" and "life". Taken from that stance, every time you masterbate, you are killing literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of "potential" human beings. Its a damn near genocide every time you log into your favorite porn site. If we started looking at objects for only their potential, then we would be too afraid to create or destroy anthing, and we'd lay on our backs until we died. That approach doesnt work, and to claim you know how the procedure works, then to say "they create life, then destroy it for the purpose of reasearch" is laughably rediculous. Everyone i've talked to who is against it either does not understand the procedure, or is too hellbent on the catholic definition of "life".

This type of abortion had been performed many times up untill the partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003

I dated a girl that had a abortion. The reason I found out was because I was telling her how I thought most people that had abortions just were not careful. And gave several examples of friends. She got real quiet and said, "I don't think this is going to work out." She then told me she had a abortion. Didn't go into it much with her and out of respect I won't say everything she told me. But needless to say she was scarred about it emotionally till this day. Also she informed how it was just that, an accident. And she was on the pill when it happened. She didn't have a partial-birth abortion but I assure you no women wants to go through that event, unless its needed. And so I still strongly disagree with passing laws, including partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003, since it usually used for the right reasons. On top of that this is usually a religious thing not a moral thing.

-Edit-

I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.

Almost all of the embryos they use are from fertility clinics. In other words, they are 'spares' that people make in case the embryo they have implanted doesn't work. So these embryos would either A) be thrown away or B) used for stem cell research. Which option is better mother f***er?!?!


As you can see I take it very personally that people are so damn ignorant they think we are creating life just to kill it for the sake of research.

"They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research."

-- Sorry this pissed everyone off so much, but I did not intend for it to be such a strong statement. Regardless the statement is true if applied to stem cell research and whether the life was created in a fertility clinic or a research lab is irrelevant. It might be very vague and harsh sounding but that is the name of the game.

The current rules put in place by the Clinton administration allow stem-cell research using embryos if the work is funded by private money and the embryos come from fertility clinics and would otherwise be discarded. And I don't have a problem with that. In fact I agree that they should be used for research rather than wasted.

I think the problem starts with the fertility clinics. They need to stop producing such a massive surplus of embryos. But that is another issue for another time.

And if you think the only option for these embryos is destruction through either stem-cell research, or by the clinics producing them then you are the one who is wrong. The reason the clinics destroy them is because 1: they produce too many and 2: the would be mothers of these embyos will not let them be adopted by another family; wich is a viable option.

Again, this is a very important issue to me and I am well informed on it, but I am also torn between morality and the benefits it could posses for my family and others like it.

I dated a girl that had a abortion. The reason I found out was because I was telling her how I thought most people that had abortions just were not careful. And gave several examples of friends. She got real quiet and said, "I don't think this is going to work out." She then told me she had a abortion. Didn't go into it much with her and out of respect I won't say everything she told me. But needless to say she was scarred about it emotionally till this day. Also she informed how it was just that, an accident. And she was on the pill when it happened. She didn't have a partial-birth abortion but I assure you no women wants to go through that event, unless its needed. And so I still strongly disagree with passing laws, including partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003, since it usually used for the right reasons. On top of that this is usually a religious thing not a moral thing.

-Edit-

I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.

Sorry to hear that and I did not mean to imply that it was good or preferred in any way. Just that it happened.

"They create life-- then they destroy it in the name of research."

-- Sorry this pissed everyone off so much, but I did not intend for it to be such a strong statement. Regardless the statement is true if applied to stem cell research and whether the life was created in a fertility clinic or a research lab is irrelevant. It might be very vague and harsh sounding but that is the name of the game.

The current rules put in place by the Clinton administration allow stem-cell research using embryos if the work is funded by private money and the embryos come from fertility clinics and would otherwise be discarded. And I don't have a problem with that. In fact I agree that they should be used for research rather than wasted.

I think the problem starts with the fertility clinics. They need to stop producing such a massive surplus of embryos. But that is another issue for another time.

And if you think the only option for these embryos is destruction through either stem-cell research, or by the clinics producing them then you are the one who is wrong. The reason the clinics destroy them is because 1: they produce too many and 2: the would be mothers of these embyos will not let them be adopted by another family; wich is a viable option.

Again, this is a very important issue to me and I am well informed on it, but I am also torn between morality and the benefits it could posses for my family and others like it.


True, those are some good points. Didn't mean to get all bent out of shape, but like I said, it's a pretty personal subject with me and ignorance gets me pissed. Sounds like you have an idea of what you're talking about though, I can understand not wanting as many unused embryos produced in the first place.

Well, at least halo comes out next week.

hella, i think you owe us all a drink :D

Ok, how about we have a Halo party somewhere. That sounds nerdy, huh.

Ok, how about we have a Halo party somewhere. That sounds nerdy, huh.

Hell no it doesn't. HALO 2 Party! We NEED to do that! Mine will be here on the 10th. I can't friggin wait.

-Chris

I payed for the 'Limited Edition' one. I'm like a racoon, I just can't pass up shiney things. :o

Ok, how about we have a Halo party somewhere. That sounds nerdy, huh.

It sounds like a good opportuninty to whoop your liberal ass!:) Are you guys serious about a Halo party?

True, those are some good points. Didn't mean to get all bent out of shape, but like I said, it's a pretty personal subject with me and ignorance gets me pissed. Sounds like you have an idea of what you're talking about though, I can understand not wanting as many unused embryos produced in the first place.

It's alright, my post was thoughtless and vague so I can see why you were upset. No hard feelings.;)

It sounds like a good opportuninty to whoop your liberal ass!:) Are you guys serious about a Halo party?


Who said you were invited you crazy SoCaler. :p Hey, where abouts are you located in SoCal? I'm heading down to visit my parents in So Cal tomorrow. Carlsbad to be exact.

-Chris

Who said you were invited you crazy SoCaler. :p Hey, where abouts are you located in SoCal? I'm heading down to visit my parents in So Cal tomorrow. Carlsbad to be exact.

-Chris

I live in Garden Grove, it is about 6 miles north east of Huntington Beach. Its funny because I am actually heading up to Nor Cal today. I am self imployed and have a shop in Stockton as well as down here in Fountain Valley and it requires me to be on the road a lot. We should try and figure something out though. I have not played Halo since I moved down south last year.

What shop(s) do you own? I'll try and give you some business. :)

-Chris

Well stem cell research is wrong but killing over 100,000 iraqi's to get rid of (ghost) WMD's is morally "right". (pun intended)

good point... that does seem quite hypocritical

good point... that does seem quite hypocritical

Well they are Iraqi's and they don't matter as much. :rolleyes:

I dated a girl that had a abortion. The reason I found out was because I was telling her how I thought most people that had abortions just were not careful. And gave several examples of friends. She got real quiet and said, "I don't think this is going to work out." She then told me she had a abortion. Didn't go into it much with her and out of respect I won't say everything she told me. But needless to say she was scarred about it emotionally till this day. Also she informed how it was just that, an accident. And she was on the pill when it happened. She didn't have a partial-birth abortion but I assure you no women wants to go through that event, unless its needed. And so I still strongly disagree with passing laws, including partial-birth abortion act passed in 2003, since it usually used for the right reasons. On top of that this is usually a religious thing not a moral thing.

-Edit-

I apologized endlessly about that. And since then I usually don't make comments unless I have experienced what Im talking about. Oh and we broke up concerning other reasons about six months after that.

I am not directing this towards you, but your coments sparked my intrest. Getting pregnant is not an accident htere is always a choice to have sex or not (except rape victims) and if you can't handle the results of your choices then don't have sex. It s called responsability!! There is also the option of putting the kid up for adoption too.

I am not directing this towards you, but your coments sparked my intrest. Getting pregnant is not an accident htere is always a choice to have sex or not (except rape victims) and if you can't handle the results of your choices then don't have sex. It s called responsability!! There is also the option of putting the kid up for adoption too.


Oh come on. Be realistic here, do you expect your kids not to have sex? I didn't bother asking if her boyfriend wore a condom but she was a very careful girl, ie on the pill etc... She was not in a position in her life to have a child. She was a student and so was he. What do you expect her to do to bear a child for 9 months while going to school, then suffer through the emotional pain of a adoption. And if she decide to keep it instead of put it up for adoption she and her boyfriend at the time would of had to leave school. On top of all this the chances of the guy leaving her and having her take care of the child on her own would mean she would be screwed even more. Its not like she "loved" this guy. I personaly think she made the right choice.

I am not directing this towards you, but your coments sparked my intrest. Getting pregnant is not an accident htere is always a choice to have sex or not (except rape victims) and if you can't handle the results of your choices then don't have sex. It s called responsability!! There is also the option of putting the kid up for adoption too.

Well it's a lose-lose situation. They will either complain about how they had an abortion or how they now have a welfare baby that their tax dollars have to support. So either way when looked at with "red" glasses it's wrong.

Oh come on. Be realistic here, do you expect your kids not to have sex? I didn't bother asking if her boyfriend wore a condom but she was a very careful girl, ie on the pill etc... She was not in a position in her life to have a child. She was a student and so was he. What do you expect her to do to bear a child for 9 months while going to school, then suffer through the emotional pain of a adoption. And if she decide to keep it instead of put it up for adoption she and her boyfriend at the time would of had to leave school. On top of all this the chances of the guy leaving her and having her take care of the child on her own would mean she would be screwed even more. Its not like she "loved" this guy. I personaly think she made the right choice.

Thats why you teach your kids responsability. You need to be accountable for your actions and not just go around killing unborn babies and blaming others for your actions. This society now aday has become one that is so quick to push blame on others and not be accountable for their own actions, which is one of the reasons for all of these crazy law suits and debt in this country. I too am to blame for this, i realize that sometimes i take the easy way out or blame others for my actions.

But you have to understand if she did have the baby, like ericdared81 said, she would of been stuck in a position where the child would of suffered. Also you have the debate when is it a child and when is it not? I personally think people don't just use abortions as birth control. Of course some might randomly do this but i doubt it, but they are in the minority. If you had her take "responsibilty" for a mistake then you would also have to take responsibilty for actions you have done in the past that where mistakes. Mistakes are just that mistakes, if the best solution is a abortion, then why not? Of course in all my years of life I have not met one person to have there mind changed by this argument. Shrug.

Four more years of American soldiers being used as cannon fodder.

Four more years of scientific decisions being made by people who believe in a ghost in the clouds.

Four more years of debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay off.

Four more years of racists and lunatics for judicial appointments

Four more years of looting the treasury and squandering it on corporate cronies.

Four more years of making enemies faster than we can kill them.

Four more years of fear and darkness and racism and hatred and stupidity and guns and bad country music.


"Good, Go Ahead, America, Choke on Your Own Vomit, You Deserve to Die." "


this is what sucks. if you hate it here, move, america is not and never will be a socilist country
my friend you have just proven you don't have to be a hick to be ignorant

this is what sucks. if you hate it here, move


I smell facisim



That's no suprise...


you're soaking in it.

Ok, how about we have a Halo party somewhere. That sounds nerdy, huh.
yeah, but if you think about it , a bunch of guys sitting in front of a computer talking about cars is pretty nerdy too, at least it's not dungeons and dragons. Wich reminds me of the people I saw wearing costumes when I went to see lord of the rings.