I have a bone to pick with all you American flag flying, blind-alligence giving, overly-religious zelots who call themselves patriots. The truth is, you could not be further from being patriotic.
I see you get angry everytime someone says something isn't right about our government, as if it's a crime to disagree with the people in charge. It's like you think America is a religion; you take whole-heartedly anything the government says is so. The meaning of being a patriot is not just loving your country and obeying the powers that be. Being a patriot is about constantly evaluating the government and deciding weather or not it is acting in the best interest of the country. I don't know the exact quote, but a TRUE patriot named Thomas Jefferson said that those who show a blind alligence to the government and who don't question the actions of the government will be the downfall of a true democracy. So all of you republicans, who get angry everytime someone says somthing bad about Junior, realize that following him around is like the blind leading the blind. Have you ever seen a clip of lemmings running off of a cliff just because the first one did? ...Junior jumped first and all you republicans are in line to go next.

I'll give you till 9pm to state a solid argument without silly rhetoric and categorization

Thanks,

The Management. :)

Hmm...my bad, Salty, if that wasn't a solid argument...I'll try better next time.

Edit: Nevermind... you posted!

Just read the two “Sticky” threads at the top of the forum and you should be good to go! :)

Welcome to Teh Politics Forum!

I'll give you till 9pm to state a solid argument without silly rhetoric and categorization

Thanks,

The Management. :)

No...you gotta let him/her stay...he/she is going to make a great sparring partner.

This is too easy. Stinky bait MVWRX, try something more subtle. :)

the one thing that really bugs the crap out of me re: Fox news is the mandatory US pin on their lapel. That sh!t is sooo lame

Yeah the American flag sucks!

Yeah the American flag sucks!

That is exactly what I said! :rolleyes:

That is the type of crap you see in communist countries. Unspoken yet mandatory jingoism

Except it's not mandatory.

mv go into more detail i agree with you but i want to see you put it in greater detail, not just an op ed peice if you can swing it.

Unspoken yet mandatory jingoism


Read: unspoken... it is almostr part of their uniform

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Touch my flag and see what happens =).

There's nothing wrong with having a flag...unless you incesently use it as a symbol of how good of an American you are. For instance, posting that you have a flag waving and implying that you'd beat the s*** out of someone who did something to it. Things like that are why 95% of the world hates Americans right now...and no matter what your political stance, it's never good to have the whole world against you.
Also I should clarify that I'm not attacking the flag in anyway...just a group of people who watch the O'Reilly factor and feel that anyone who disagrees with Bill should be locked up...that group of people tends to over-use the American flag as a symbol of superiority rather than the symbol of freedom and equality it's meant as.

Yeah the American flag sucks!

You know what I think sucks? People driving around and/or displaying ripped up, faded flags. It's so ironic that these people are trying to show support for their nation and then totally disrespect the symbol. I love the flag and I love my country. That is why I am willing to talk about ways to improve it, and discuss errors I believe we have made.

There's nothing wrong with having a flag...unless you incesently use it as a symbol of how good of an American you are. Also I should clarify that I'm not attacking the flag in anyway...just a group of people who watch the O'Reilly factor and feel that anyone who disagrees with Bill should be locked up...that group of people tends to over-use the American flag as a symbol of superiority rather than the symbol of freedom and equality it's meant as.

Who are you to say what the flag means to any individual?

Are you saying there is someting wrong with national pride? Do you think national pride is arrogant and blind? Do you think people who honor our flag and country are wrong?

Our flag represents our country.. good and bad. I think it is honorable and just to die for what it represents.

Are you saying there is someting wrong with national pride? .

Well, when your country is WRONG, yes there can be something wrong with national pride


Do you think national pride is arrogant and blind? .

Sometimes- it can be, and especially when it is arrogent and blind- national pride can be VERY WRONG.

Do you think people who honor our flag and country are wrong?.

Not that in and of itself, but I think they are wrong if they think that that alone is enough to be doing their part, and again especially if it is accompanied by blind arrogance and a lack of respect for others.

Our flag represents our country.. good and bad. I think it is honorable and just to die for what it represents.

OK, I'll grant you that but at the same time I think it is stupid and wasteful to die for the sake of corporate profits and international theft- when that is the truth behind nearly all wars leading to foreign occupation.

And when it comes down to the cold hard facts, if you ask me, no one has died in Iraq for what our flag represents.

Thanks for the opportunity to share my opinions

Touch my flag and see what happens =).


let me guess you will spout half truth and blatent lies in an attempt to confuse your opponent while you rally the religious right to mount a crusade against your opponents moral edicts?

Who are you to say what the flag means to any individual?

Are you saying there is someting wrong with national pride? Do you think national pride is arrogant and blind? Do you think people who honor our flag and country are wrong?

Our flag represents our country.. good and bad. I think it is honorable and just to die for what it represents.


There is a point where PRIDE blinds a person, that is when it is an issue for all.

He is talking about people who are past that point, you seem to be in that group based on the two posts in this thread.

Thanks Dre and psoper...you guys seem to understand what I'm saying...everyone is fallible, even the gov't...even me, even you, and even HELLADUMB (even if he's rep'n NorCal...by the way helladumb, how does it feel to know that no matter how you vote ALL of the CA electorial college votes are gonna be for Kerry?)

he is helladumb he doesnt understand the electorial college

Thanks Dre and psoper...you guys seem to understand what I'm saying...everyone is fallible, even the gov't...even me, even you, and even HELLADUMB (even if he's rep'n NorCal...by the way helladumb, how does it feel to know that no matter how you vote ALL of the CA electorial college votes are gonna be for Kerry?)

It feels REALLY good to know that CA has already been written off.

written off? nope...just points for my team, not yours...the fact that the election comes down to a couple states every four years doesn't change the importance of the 'dedicated' states in the election...

There is a point where PRIDE blinds a person, that is when it is an issue for all.




Also known as jingoism. And yes, jingoists are teh suckage

It feels REALLY good to know that CA has already been written off.


How the States Line Up in Latest Polls:

Bush:
Alabama
Alaska
Georgia
Indiana
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Wyoming

Swing:
*Arizona
*Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
*Florida
Hawaii
*Iowa
Kentucky
*Maine
*Michigan
*Minnesota
*Missouri
*New Hampshire
*New Mexico
*Nevada
North Carolina
*Oregon
*Ohio
*Pennsylvania
Tennessee
*Washington
*West Virginia
*Wisconsin

Kerry:
California
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont



pretty funny how DC is going to go kerry... hahahahaha even the law makers think bush is a twat..

pretty funny how DC is going to go kerry... hahahahaha even the law makers think bush is a twat..

Yeah... lawmakers are the cats meow.