I was listening to the Doug Banks Morning Show a couple days ago as it caught my attention when I changed the stations.

The cast was having a discussion based on Affirmative Action and the so called "struggle". I'm not a racist in the slightest but am I missing something here?

I know a handful of sucessful African Americans and other minorities (Hispanic, Asian etc) that haven't been a victim of this dreaded disease, curse or whatever you call it these days. Instead, they decided to put in their fair share of hard work and earn their position(s). They didn't complain or pull the race card when someone more qualified got the job. They carried on in their pursuit instead of falling victim to this mythical "struggle"

I know I may sound a bit like a biggot when I dicuss this topic but i've had this very same discussion with minority friends and other people of certain minorities i didn't know so well. Nonetheless, the discussion was civil in nature eventhough I never got a straight answer from those I didn't know. My said minority friends say it's a "cop-out" OR "scapegoat" for laziness and I happen to agree with them for the most part.

So when does this struggle end OR has it already? Last time I checked we have a TON of sucessful minorites in our country. From the Cash Money Millionaires with their "ICE" to Oprah Winfrey, Judge Joe Brown, Dave Chappelle, Shaq, Tiger Woods and Colin Powell. Contrary to what you've heard, Colin Powell is black. Which brings me to my last point... why do vicitims of "the struggle" automatically single out the "more established" individuals of the same race as "white" OR coin them as "selling-out to whitey" :confused:

Discuss your views on this but try and keep it civil in nature, please. I'm very open-minded in these types of debates and want your opinion. Afterall, this forum was intended for debates of this nature. If this thread takes a wrong turn and becomes racist and hurtful then it goes bye, bye.

forgive me if i go a tad off topic.. but here is my stance on race as an issue of differences...

there are always whats the word... inherit positions people have on other people, like "all black people are X" and "all chinese people have Y bodytpe"
while i firmly believe there are few "physical distinctions", i beleive these differences are the product of nature and nurture, that is, the surroundings and whatnot (ie its NOT necc. or logical for farmers in the philippines to be like 6'5)
that being said, i also firmly believe the idea that any "race" (i put race in " " because i think its an arbitrary idea) has a larger brain capacity than others is just false. fwiw asians do have larger brains in volume, but this doesnt have anythign to do with actual intelligence.
told you i was going off topic.
i dont think affirmtive action is necessary, there shouldnt be quota systems for anything in life, there are no SIGNIFICANT physical and mental differences between people
but, although you do bring up good "succesful" black folks, try and think of a name of a rich chinese, korean, (lets skip japanese), vietnamese, or Philippino businessman OR woman? prettty hard, huh? ask yourself, why are most of the corporate level, high positions almost always held by older white men?
interview processes (whether for jobs, or school) should not have race as a factor, nor should the color of skiin be a factor.

told you, off topic.

So when does this struggle end OR has it already? Last time I checked we have a TON of sucessful minorites in our country. From the Cash Money Millionaires with their "ICE" to Oprah Winfrey, Judge Joe Brown, Dave Chappelle, Shaq, Tiger Woods and Colin Powell.

Which brings me to my last point... why do vicitims of "the struggle" automatically single out the "more established" individuals of the same race as "white" OR coin them as "selling-out to whitey" :confused:


dude tiger woods aint asian, the white folk claimed him as their own, duh lol


edit
in terms of the 2nd paragrah i quoterd...
i guess, the victims are "hatars"
or...

the "victims" would no longer be victims if the population pointed out one sucessul person from their "race". a little wordy, i know. an example...

PURLEY AN EXAMPLE!
all black people dislike colin powell and call him a sell out
why do all black peopel call him a sell out?
because this disproves the theory that all "black folk" cant suceed in life, colin powell actually suceeding disproves their stance as them as a victim of society, making them unable to suceed.


also, fwiw...
wouldnt it suck if i were black and someone came up to me and said
"whats wrong with you? why cant you succeed? are you just a retarded black man or something? colin powell was able to suceed, why cant you?"

just because one man (powell, chapelle, whatever) is able to suceed doesnt mean we all can.
there are societal forces beyound our control holding us down << what i firmly believe.


that being said, let me link this to my 1st response about afirmitive actiion.

getting a job or getting ito college should not involve "race", or any other arbitrary idea, nor should getting x job or into y college involve the sociioeconomic status of individucals

also, fwiw...
wouldnt it suck if i were black and someone came up to me and said
"whats wrong with you? why cant you succeed? are you just a retarded black man or something? colin powell was able to suceed, why cant you?"

just because one man (powell, chapelle, whatever) is able to suceed doesnt mean we all can.
there are societal forces beyound our control holding us down << what i firmly believe.

But I don't hear music lyrics from John Mayor, Britney Spears or Madonna on how they're suppressed by the woes of an ethnically diverse society. I own a large number of rap and hip hop albums and it always makes the hair on my neck stand when I hear common lyrics on how the "white collared white man" keeps the "black man down"

Likewise, I never hear how white people are in the "struggle" from other white people over the airways. Meanwhile, some black, brown, red or yellow DJ or public speaker of the same calibre is spewing melarky regarding his/her "so called struggle"...this very same person is probably earning a $150,000+++ salary.

Don't act like i'm profiling either... If you can legitimately provide more evidence that non-minority individuals complain more then any other ethnic background combined then I'm all ears.

The main contibutors against the civil rights movement are well into their 50's and beyond. Many of these people are no longer in the public eye and don't even have the power to "arm-chair quarterback" anything. On top of this, most individuals of the last 3 generations (Baby Boomers, Generation "X" and Milleniums) were raised on a strong foundation of equality. Strict measures are taken for those that violate any civil right's law by penalties that reach the sky!

So where's this struggle at?

If you have a problem with this thread thus far PM me and i'll fix it for ya!

But I don't hear music lyrics from John Mayor, Britney Spears or Madonna on how they're suppressed by the woes of an ethnically diverse society. I own a large number of rap and hip hop albums and it always makes the hair on my neck stand when I hear common lyrics on how the "white collared white man" keeps the "black man down"

Likewise, I never hear how white people are in the "struggle" from other white people over the airways. Meanwhile, some black, brown, red or yellow DJ or public speaker of the same calibre is spewing melarky regarding his/her "so called struggle"...this very same person is probably earning a $150,000+++ salary.

Don't act like i'm profiling either... If you can legitimately provide more evidence that non-minority individuals complain more then any other ethnic background combined then I'm all ears.

The main contibutors against the civil rights movement are well into their 50's and beyond. Many of these people are no longer in the public eye and don't even have the power to "arm-chair quarterback" anything. On top of this, most individuals of the last 3 generations (Baby Boomers, Generation "X" and Milleniums) were raised on a strong foundation of equality. Strict measures are taken for those that violate any civil right's law by penalties that reach the sky!

So where's this struggle at?

If you have a problem with this thread thus far PM me and i'll fix it for ya!


ill try my best to respond.
being opressed is an image, of course people are going to make songs about stuff.
like, if i was "black" and i lived in east palo alto, or hell, if i lived off 47th street in south sac, lol id write lyrics about where i am from, what i see. or, i could write a song about some messed up scenerio, ie girls getting into prostitution who smoke rocks to take care of their 9 children.
its music, its lyrics, what it comes down to, its propoganda.

your point about people preaching about the struggle. like i said, name ONE asian man or woman sucessful business person.

minorities complain, white folk complain too!
white people are jealous of black folk cause the black folk got bigger wangs, so the white folk throw the black folk into meagre janatorial jobs. white folk feel they are better than yellow people, and use them as a model minority. < VERY heavy layer of sarcasm haha

white folk ***** too, you cant say y'all white folk dont *****.
whtie folks are mad at mexicans because thjey think mexicans harm the economy.
white folk are mad at asians because we do the same work white folk do for cheaper (ever wonder why there are a lot of filippina nurses and middle eastern comp technicians)

google the name "Vincent Chen"

ohh, for me
my "struggle" is trying to achieve as a buesinessman in a dominant white economy, but you wont see me rapping or singing about it though haha

ohh, for me
my "struggle" is trying to achieve as a buesinessman in a dominant white economy, but you wont see me rapping or singing about it though haha

"Dominantly white economy", huh? Asian and Pacific Islanders have been in the top income bracket according to the U.S. Census for many years by an average of $10,000+

Here's the census table for 2002:

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Teh%20FunnAy/census.jpg

http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/income02/3yr_avg_race.html



And here's a list of the 100 most sucessful asian business men & women...

http://goldsea.com/Profiles/100/100.html

It was simple google away! Imagine if i kept searching. ;)

Goodluck with your business endeavors, Mike. If you don't succeed don't blame "whitey", blame yourself.

ill try my best to respond.
being opressed is an image, of course people are going to make songs about stuff.
like, if i was "black" and i lived in east palo alto, or hell, if i lived off 47th street in south sac, lol id write lyrics about where i am from, what i see. or, i could write a song about some messed up scenerio, ie girls getting into prostitution who smoke rocks to take care of their 9 children.
its music, its lyrics, what it comes down to, its propoganda.

your point about people preaching about the struggle. like i said, name ONE asian man or woman sucessful business person.

See above post ;)

minorities complain, white folk complain too!
white people are jealous of black folk cause the black folk got bigger wangs, so the white folk throw the black folk into meagre janatorial jobs. white folk feel they are better than yellow people, and use them as a model minority. < VERY heavy layer of sarcasm haha

Irrelevant argument eventhough i know you're trying to be funny.

white folk ***** too, you cant say y'all white folk dont *****.
whtie folks are mad at mexicans because thjey think mexicans harm the economy.
white folk are mad at asians because we do the same work white folk do for cheaper (ever wonder why there are a lot of filippina nurses and middle eastern comp technicians)

google the name "Vincent Chen"

I never said they didn't... if it wasn't for cheap labor from illegal aliens err... sorry... "undocumented workers", then i honestly believe our economy would suffer.

However, I never hear the end of it from a lot of minority public figures. I've even listened to The Doug Banks Morning Show since then to get a better understanding and it's the same old thing in another form (besides affirmative action). It's even accepted in a lot of comedians stand-up comedy for crying out loud.

If a white person made a comment about the smell of an African American's fart then he/she would be coined a "racist" and they'd have the NAACP and Jesse Jackson at the door before you could say "wholy shi......".

damn you eric
ill scan some real facts from an old textbook later tongiht
edit mini response before i go buy some groceries lol.

most of the population of the entire USA is mostly white folk, caucasion, right?
asians take up a small, yet significant portion, of the entire population.
only a smal perecnetage of the caucasion population really make it rich, or get paid bookoo bux, right? while a considerable portion of white folk arent livin it up.
i guess, i think a better comparision to compare asians and white people would be, the top 10% of white people vs the top 10% of asian people.
its a tall order, but try it out.
you cant deny that the 70% of poor white folk isnt dragging the total worth of white folk down

good example.
the #1 richest asian, taken from (http://goldsea.com/Profiles/100/wangcharles.html)
Charles Wang...called the
"Genghis Wang, the software conqueror. Charles Wang's $4.8 billion-a-year Computer Associates -- with its awesome $25-billion market cap"

compare thhis dued with the richest white person, who is it, gates, the pres of oracle?
does it look like tehy make the same amount?

good example.
the #1 richest asian, taken from (http://goldsea.com/Profiles/100/wangcharles.html)
Charles Wang...called the
"Genghis Wang, the software conqueror. Charles Wang's $4.8 billion-a-year Computer Associates -- with its awesome $25-billion market cap"

compare thhis dued with the richest white person, who is it, gates, the pres of oracle?
does it look like tehy make the same amount?

Ok, now you're digging! http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/lol.gif

Last time i checked, $4.8 billion (with a "b") could easily buy a medium sized island complete with $500,000,000 hotel-sized mansion and 20 Enzo's in the garage with an individual supermodel for each car.

That's not exactly "roughing-it" OR moving from the east side like the Jefferson's.

I am completely against Affirmative Action.

I feel that the best qualified candidate (subjectively and objectively) should always be the one chosen for a job/seat at a school/etc.

The U.C. system, now that A.A. has been banned, now selects more and more foreign students simply because they can charge them much more than California residents. This has been their workaround since A.A. was banned, but hey, these students typically have excellent grades, so why not let them in?

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On a related note, I have observed that certain ethnic groups (particularly asian, middle-eastern, and sub-continental Indian) often take care of themselves by living and working within their own cultural communities, relying on cultural social and business connections, etc., through these well-developed networks.

I only hope for the true diversification of America, that those that are deeply embedded in these enclaves reach out to socialize and interact with people outside their cliques, and vice-versa.

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Another aspect to analyze is the onset of the "Global Economy", which will continue to affect our economy by making proficiency in languages other than English more and more valuable to gaining employment, another advantage to these aforementioned ethnic groups.

I say to this: Shame on the America's public schools for not having the same strict foreign language proficiency requirements, that schools in Europe and other areas have.

In most European nations for example, students are required to learn 2-3 foreign languages.

When American companies outsource work to other countries, they are doing so because those foreign workers are willing to work for less money, not necessarily because these people are more qualified. They are willing to work as hard or harder for less money.

I hope I didn't just blow up this thread...

David

I say to this: Shame on the America's public schools for not having the same strict foreign language proficiency requirements, that schools in Europe and other areas have.

In most European nations for example, students are required to learn 2-3 foreign languages.

When American companies outsource work to other countries, they are doing so because those foreign workers are willing to work for less money, not necessarily because these people are more qualified. They are willing to work as hard or harder for less money.

I hope I didn't just blow up this thread...

David

I happen to agree with you on this one. In the military I took language classes, private correspondence classes and even in-house classes (professor from the university would come to the barracks during lunch) to learn foreign languages. I happen to believe the DLAB type courses in the military are the best around. You can enroll in a language class and learn a LOT in a 6month+ period... they drill your mind like putty until you're fluent enough to fly over and train foreign soldiers etc.

I'm even trying to teach myself Japanese just so i can communicate with my future kids... seeing how my fiancee's fluent and she's well versed in teaching languages.

Our school systems need to follow suit at a young age with any specific language and continue with that till they graduate highschool. It should be required like any other course they offer and it needs to be intense. No ***** footing around with outdated language books that resemble ghey comic books. They need to be able to apply the language and be comfortable with it just as most Europeans are exremely comfortable with english.

damn you eric
ill scan some real facts from an old textbook later tongiht
edit mini response before i go buy some groceries lol.

Real facts? The U.S. Census is as good as it's going to get on this issue seeing how it's their job to cover all criteria based on socioeconomics etc.

Go ahead and post your info, source and be sure to post the copyright date of said "old facts" and author.

It is things like this that keep me attached by an umbilical cord to good ol i-club...

This is an interesting debate. I actually see both sides of the coin here. Let me explain:

My gf is Chinese. Her parents came here in the 80s with nothing. Lived in a 1bd apt with 8+ people. Started a tofu factory which they are running to this day. They now own a home, and all of their children have gone to college. Chinese (and most other Asians) have a way of somehow getting to the top (not to generalize, but I have many Asian friends with similar stories).

The issue with blacks and Mexicans in the US, however, is different. Asians only experienced periods as the demarcated other... WWII is the most glaring example. But blacks and Mexicans (specifically blacks) have been relegated to the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder almost since the day they stepped (or were dragged) into the country. While I agree that people need to be held accountable for their own actions, we cant deny that there is still remnants of socialized racism.

A good book if you havent read it already: Race Matters by Cornel West. One of the things West brings up is nihilism in black America. Black kids arent nihilistic because they are genetically inferior, but rather because, in the ghetto, the chances of making it are slim.

There are other variables we should account for:
War on Drugs = draconian drug laws have had a devastating affect on young black men
Welfare = definitely needed for dire situations, but can lead to a dependence on an entity other than oneself

This is a tricky proposition for public policy advocates and urban planners. Hopefully we can continue to all do our part to bridge the gap between the haves and have-nots

I'm totally against AA in any form. Any argument in favor of it is just an attempt to rationalize racism.

I don't think UC or any state school should accept foreign applicants unless they have enough spots for all the Californians and Americans who have applied. Private schools can do what they want, but Californians paid to build the UC system and it should be used for the good of Californians.

Okay, let me chime in a bit on this subject, as I have been a first hand witness of this
"Whitey" keeping the brown man down. I'm working at a company putting in for an inside promotion and guess who get it an under qualified white guy. So I proceed to train this guy and get him up to speed on the ways of both our profession and company procedure. Well another promotional opportunity comes into play, I apply and guess what an even more unqualified white candidate get the job. Once could be a coincidence twice is a ****ing pattern as far as I'm concerned. Have I had to work harder than the average white man to get where I am? Hell yeah! Will I ever play the race card towards a company, no its not worth it in the end. My profession is a close nit one where everybody seems to know each others business.

By the way I quit the company two days after the second guy started. The boss came down to lecture me cause I was "slowing down the crew". There were two of us me and the new guy I was training to be my boss, yet I get the lecture of slowing things down. This person still currently works for that company even though through his incompetence he has lost a few jobs. Oh I also have another minority friend still working at this company though he has chosen to annoy the hell out of the guy who helped me decide to quit by tolerating all that is tossed his way. I'm sure it helps that he is very close to retirement.

Now don't think that affirmative action is the answer, but there is definitely still a struggle.

Oh' buy the way I grew in the neighborhood of Freeport(little hood across the street from the executive airport, check it out sometime) in Sacramento and also West side San Jose(Neighborhood between Alma, Monterey highway, San Jose ave, and Almaden expressway.

Also I'm sure a whole lot of white people get pulled over for a loose screw on their license plate frame:rolleyes:

Okay, let me chime in a bit on this subject, as I have been a first hand witness of this
"Whitey" keeping the brown man down. I'm working at a company putting in for an inside promotion and guess who get it an under qualified white guy. So I proceed to train this guy and get him up to speed on the ways of both our profession and company procedure. Well another promotional opportunity comes into play, I apply and guess what an even more unqualified white candidate get the job. Once could be a coincidence twice is a ****ing pattern as far as I'm concerned. Have I had to work harder than the average white man to get where I am? Hell yeah! Will I ever play the race card towards a company, no its not worth it in the end. My profession is a close nit one where everybody seems to know each others business.

By the way I quit the company two days after the second guy started. The boss came down to lecture me cause I was "slowing down the crew". There were two of us me and the new guy I was training to be my boss, yet I get the lecture of slowing things down. This person still currently works for that company even though through his incompetence he has lost a few jobs. Oh I also have another minority friend still working at this company though he has chosen to annoy the hell out of the guy who helped me decide to quit by tolerating all that is tossed his way. I'm sure it helps that he is very close to retirement.

Now don't think that affirmative action is the answer, but there is definitely still a struggle.

Oh' buy the way I grew in the neighborhood of Freeport(little hood across the street from the executive airport, check it out sometime) in Sacramento and also West side San Jose(Neighborhood between Alma, Monterey highway, San Jose ave, and Almaden expressway.

Also I'm sure a whole lot of white people get pulled over for a loose screw on their license plate frame:rolleyes:

What ethnic background are you if you don't mind me asking?

BTW i grew up in south sacto too. In ****ty parts of the parkway area...

Center a g parkway huh. Spent alot of time chasing... anyway Hipanic/chicano background. My other friend I speak of is Filipino.

I'm totally against AA in any form. Any argument in favor of it is just an attempt to rationalize racism.

I don't think UC or any state school should accept foreign applicants unless they have enough spots for all the Californians and Americans who have applied. Private schools can do what they want, but Californians paid to build the UC system and it should be used for the good of Californians.

That is exactly What I feel aa is, a way to legitimize racism.

By the way Salty why listen to that horrid morning show anyway. Its gotta be one of the most racist shows I've heard. Of course it's OK when it done by anybody other than a white person;)

Ok, now you're digging! http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/lol.gif

Last time i checked, $4.8 billion (with a "b") could easily buy a medium sized island complete with $500,000,000 hotel-sized mansion and 20 Enzo's in the garage with an individual supermodel for each car.

That's not exactly "roughing-it" OR moving from the east side like the Jefferson's.

lol look at the dudes name
WANG!! such a terrible name.
like i said, compare the richest asian to the richest white man.
btw 4.8 billion couldb probably buy the philippines, guam, vietnam, and laos, maybe even cambodia.

you cannot deny that there is a discrepancy here. with all these asian graduates with technical degrees, there is an invisible glass ceiling in place for many minorities.

I would be interested to hear arguments in favor / against my earlier post (15 or 16). Salty... anybody?

The issue with blacks and Mexicans in the US, however, is different. Asians only experienced periods as the demarcated other... WWII is the most glaring example. But blacks and Mexicans (specifically blacks) have been relegated to the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder almost since the day they stepped (or were dragged) into the country. While I agree that people need to be held accountable for their own actions, we cant deny that there is still remnants of socialized racism.

I don't think it matters in this day an age and believe it's a cop-out for those that are envious of others success. I think the same thing would be true if white people were oppressed in our historical timeline. You'd be hearing white trailer-trash preaching about this and that when they're not doing a damn thing to improve themselves.

It's hard for anyone of any race to rise to the top of the success food-chain. When they do rise to the top you don't hear them complaining, do you? Nonetheless, it's VERY easy to pass the buck on our history when you haven't lived up to your own expectations and are ashamed of what you've become.

I am tracking like a scud in regard to everything else you've said so far and may read that book!

im mexican... aka ****** and im sick of working around lazy african american people that dont do **** but sit there with the race card out mocking everyone thats working

edgar, :) *flame suite*

Nobody else has anything to say on this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Teh%20FunnAy/racism.jpg

Here's a good billboard advertisement for "the struggle"

Bump.

Turns out someone in "the struggle" just got selling drugs and ditched the cops. Yaaaayyy!

There's a chopper over my head telling everyone to stay in their houses and to not approach the 5'9" black male roaming my neighborhood. I live in a relatively nice area too... Go ahead and call me a bigot and a racist! This is the 3rd time this has happened in my neighborhood in the last month because I’m relatively close to a bad part of town.

I, too, am against afirmative action because I believe it perpetuates racial divide rather than work to reduce it. However, I am shocked noone has brought up primary education yet. THAT is what needs to be fixed to make our society 'colorblind.' The matter is less about racism, or even college, and more about the education that groups of people recieve when they are young up until high school. The difference between suburban (read: very white/asian washed) and urban (read:every other 'race') is gigantic. I'm not trying to stereotype in anyway; it is simply the truth that urban areas have much higher minority populations that have much worse education before college. If education at the K-12 level was all equall, 'race differences' in jobs/incomes would disapear quickly (1-2 generations), and racial tensions would be hugely reduced. Affirmative Action does nothing to try and fix the primary education problem, and therefore cannot possibly help the overall situation. Examples: many of the well-off minorities sited in other posts on this thread got their primary education in areas of higher income (and therefore better schooling). It is as easy to see as an indiglo tach...make all primary education equall, and racial tensions will disapear as we know them.

I disagree, racism is alive and don't forget why things are so different for blacks and hispanics. They are the poor, and get the worst schools hence the worst educations. Basically have the worst start possible. Its funny, yet very sad, one of the schools I went too for highschool was in a poor section of town. It was run down like hell. I mean no bathroom doors, so over filled with students that I would have to walk outside of the school to get to class on time. (I wasn't the only one and they gave us 10 mins to get to class to class.) Tons of other crappy things. My family moved to a better part of town after a year. The school I went to had just spent I believe over a million dollars on a football field. And had new computers and other new stuff. The difference? Mostly hispanic and black school was the poor one while the mostly white school was the rich one. They don't get a "fair" shot at starting out in life. To say AA is not needed to get more blacks/hispanics educated is not true. They would have no chance in hell to get into a college if it wasn't for that. I went to I believe the third largest school in the nation. The black and hispanic population was basically none. And this was in Texas where there is a huge hispanic population. Imagine if AA was taken out?

Why besides those reasons should AA exist? Well pretty simply put by helping a few get a better education they can bring more of there race to do better. And also they tend to help out others of there race. The trickle down effect shall we say.

I agree though it isn't fair for other races that they have don't get the same opportunity as minorities. But this is the only viable solution at this point in time. In a ideal situation K-12 schools would have the better teachers in the poorer sections of town and also they would get the most money. In the long run things would even out and education system would be balanced. Will it happen? I doubt it. So we are stuck with the only other thing possible, AA. Oh and hispanics and blacks are hardly over running colleges. To suggest that is laughable.

Oh and Salty how many times have you been pulled over randomly by cops? That is the "struggle" as you put they are talking about. To say minorities do not get treated badly by those in powers at times is not true. Education is the key to low crime levels and since minorities usually get the short end of the stick in this area what do you expect to happen.

ill try my best to respond.

your point about people preaching about the struggle. like i said, name ONE asian man or woman sucessful business person.

minorities complain, white folk complain too!
white people are jealous of black folk cause the black folk got bigger wangs, so the white folk throw the black folk into meagre janatorial jobs. white folk feel they are better than yellow people, and use them as a model minority. < VERY heavy layer of sarcasm haha

whtie folks are mad at mexicans because thjey think mexicans harm the economy.
white folk are mad at asians because we do the same work white folk do for cheaper (ever wonder why there are a lot of filippina nurses and middle eastern comp technicians)


Do you have wireless internet? Ever heard of Linksys? Linksys was founded by and asian couple... I think they made one or two dollars on it!$$$.. I can think of many huge companies from China, Japan, and South Korea, but I'm at a loss trying to do the same from other asian coutries (and pacific island countries to not leave out the filippinas =).

Living in the bay area, I'm often surrounded by Asians that drive nice cars, have good jobs, and own nice homes. If they aren't earning as much as whites, they sure must be good with their money. I guess I'm bigoted in that I see lots of asians come here dirt poor and work hard to succeed, while tons of white kids raised here **** away their lives and their parents mortgage themselves into bankruptcy.

As far as black janitors go, I don't recall ever seeing one. I have noticed that all of them in my area happen to be hispanic.

like i said, compare the richest asian to the richest white man.
btw 4.8 billion couldb probably buy the philippines, guam, vietnam, and laos, maybe even cambodia.

you cannot deny that there is a discrepancy here. with all these asian graduates with technical degrees, there is an invisible glass ceiling in place for many minorities.

I strongly argue with what you've just said. Asians outnumber whites in many of the technical programs and are getting the same salaries as whites, at least coming out of schools like Stanford and such. Do you think every white guy gets to be CEO or something? Think about how many white males hit the glass ceiling. If they didn't their would be millions of them!

In Asian companies that operate here, what do you think the chance is of a white guy (or gal) becoming CEO? I could see that happening for a U.S. division (and likewise for foreign divisions from Asian firms).

As a white male, I have competition from peope from all ethnicities, male and female. I work at a HUGE U.S. company, and I usually represent the minority in the room.

One thing that I have noticed, is that many of the NON-whites that are put into hiring-manager positions tend to end up with reporting chains of their own ethnicity, while many of the white managers have been "taught" out of this habit. Somehow, "minorities" seem to be exempt from the rule.

Oh and Salty how many times have you been pulled over randomly by cops? That is the "struggle" as you put they are talking about. To say minorities do not get treated badly by those in powers at times is not true. Education is the key to low crime levels and since minorities usually get the short end of the stick in this area what do you expect to happen.

You’re right actually... I don't drive a primer-colored integra with coffee can exhaust -or- lowered Escalade on 24's with my music blasting. Profiling has always been an effective tactic used by the cops.

Hehehehe...yeah, I have to admit...profiling works, even against us white boys...I got profiled for driving an old beater Landcruiser with missing lights and a missing window...then the cop saw the red eyes...whoops....

You’re right actually... I don't drive a primer-colored integra with coffee can exhaust -or- lowered Escalade on 24's with my music blasting. Profiling has always been an effective tactic used by the cops.

Isn't it illegal, well atleast in some states? So you think its ok to target a certain races to pull over? Im not talking about the cars, im talking about the races because you are stero typing them. I have a black friend that bought a used lexus for six thousand dollars from the doctor his mom worked for. He didn't do anything to "trick" it out but he got pulled over constantly in Houston and searched for drugs. I can give you plenty of more examples. When you start getting harrased by cops then you might understand what we go through. Till then explain to me how pulling over random miniorities is such a effective tactic?

Isn't it illegal, well atleast in some states? So you think its ok to target a certain races to pull over? Im not talking about the cars, im talking about the races because you are stero typing them. I have a black friend that bought a used lexus for six thousand dollars from the doctor his mom worked for. He didn't do anything to "trick" it out but he got pulled over constantly in Houston and searched for drugs. I can give you plenty of more examples. When you start getting harrased by cops then you might understand what we go through. Till then explain to me how pulling over random miniorities is such a effective tactic?

It's the very essence of the so called "struggle" with minorities. If you're in this struggle then how do you make a substantial living to afford the lexus? It's not so much a stereotype because I see it everyday. And btw I grew up in Oak Park, and the Meadowview projects and got out...

Do you ever watch the local news? It's a Black -or- Mexican suspect 80% of the time along with the occasional wacko child molesting white boy. Whose fault is this? It certainly isn't mine. Same type of situation for Muslims... who's fault is it that their religion is misunderstood, belittled and questioned? It's not I. I don’t see Tiger Woods damning complaining about the struggle.. Hell, didn’t he just marry a white girl. Oh let me guess… “he sold out like Colin Powell” because he’s successful, right?

This is the very reason why profiling is done on the streets; it’s an effective tactic. Do you think cops will get more drugs off the streets if they go after the senior citizens -or- the boy wearing the pocket protector? Nope… they’re going to go after the person in the expensive car because it might be stolen , because they match a certain description -or- because you’re wearing fubu and bumping Too Short.

It's the very essence of the so called "struggle" with minorities. If you're in this struggle then how do you make a substantial living to afford the lexus? It's not so much a stereotype because I see it everyday. And btw I grew up in Oak Park, and the Meadowview projects and got out...

Do you ever watch the local news? It's a Black -or- Mexican suspect 80% of the time along with the occasional wacko child molesting white boy. Whose fault is this? It certainly isn't mine. Same type of situation for Muslims... who's fault is it that their religion is misunderstood, belittled and questioned? It's not I. I don’t see Tiger Woods damning complaining about the struggle.. Hell, didn’t he just marry a white girl. Oh let me guess… “he sold out like Colin Powell” because he’s successful, right?

This is the very reason why profiling is done on the streets; it’s an effective tactic. Do you think cops will get more drugs off the streets if they go after the senior citizens -or- the boy wearing the pocket protector? Nope… they’re going to go after the person in the expensive car because it might be stolen , because they match a certain description -or- because you’re wearing fubu and bumping Too Short.


A six thousand dollar lexus is not "fancy" did you bother reading how he got it so cheap? So if the table where switched and black and mexicans where the majority you would be ok if cops harrassed you day to day? Because some random guy who was white caused trouble? You would be ok getting randomly pulled over and searched? Come on please, you would be yelling and screaming in a heart beat how the cop had no reason to pull you over. Its ok as long as your not the person harrassed.

You don't get it do you. They are the poor and less educated of this country. They start in life with the worst possible start. Not only that they get harrassed by officials and treated badly by those who are here to protect them. How do you think that effects them? Positively im sure right? You name a few rich people and say well look at TIGER he made it why can't they? Well let me ask you the same question, look at Bill Gates your white why aren't you a multi-billionare and why aren't you laughing it up in the good life? The chances of a poor person to do better in life is a whole lot less than a regular person, especially if your a minority.

Now, you fail to note that profiling is illegal in some states. I think most I forget off hand the stats. The way cops will get more drugs off the street is well impossible. The only way to lessen drug use is through education and since the funding for the poor parts of cities schools is horrible this trend will continue no matter what tactic the cops use. Again put yourself in there shoes before you start saying its ok.

Whether or not we are the ones getting harrassed most crimes are commited by certain economic backgrounds. Although I dont find it very convenient that I get harrassed by the sac pd and sheriffs( the highway patrol is probably my own fault) in the ride alongs I've been on guess who we saw when we responded to most calls.

It's illegal to do in Cali so...and not just minorities are poor....

It's illegal to do in Cali so...and not just minorities are poor....

You need to take a look at the statistics on crime and get back to me on profiling. I've worked with extremely successful black brokers without an education, been taught instructed by black/asian teachers at schools and in the service and watched black athletes. There doesn't seem to be anymore excuse left for "the struggle."

Did you happen to overlook my whole entire argument on two post above that statement I made? They get the worst education, are treated badly by authority, worst food, and the list goes on and on. Just because a FEW make it out doesn't mean there is no struggle. Thats like I said, since there are few millionares why aren't you one of them? Its not as simple as you portray it. And crime is porportional to education level correct?

Its not a excuse its the truth. And come back to me when you get harrased unfairly day in and day out. And then tell me your ok with it. Till then I don't think you'll ever understand what they go through.