Note: I did not start this thread. It was put here for me not at my request.


I trully think that the moderators(staff) of this forum should not post their political views or make political coments in this forum. If they cannot keep thier mouth shut get a new staff member for this forum.

What I was meaning is that I feel the staff or forum leaders should leave their mod powers or title out of their political statements and not pressure the political statement or reply with moderation coments or moderation arm twisting even in joking. Let your political view or statement stand on its own without the added help or power of the posters status.

You're missing the point of what moderators are for Dave. Dre and Eric aren't here to be the Thought Police, they're here as the 'leaders' of the forum, and they're doing well by posting a lot of material that is sparking interest and debate. If people start complaining that they are abusing their powers by editing, deleting, and moving posts, then that will be dealt with. But being a moderator doesn't mean you've been issued a gag order by i-club. It just means that we have to think carefully before taking action that regular members cannot. Since regular members can run their mouths, so can moderators.

As I've said before, these two were chosen as the mods in here BECAUSE of their outspokenness and regular participation in these threads. They also counter-balance each other pretty nicely.

I think this is going to work out great. Although the moderators have different views, they seem to have a great deal of respect for one another and to me it seems like the forum will do great with them in charge.

If they cannot keep thier mouth shut get a new staff member for this forum.

You have something you want to share, David2z4? I'm all ears on suggestions my friend! Anything to make you happy!

I just think do one or the other. I don't want to keep people for posting a view but if you do that don't mod that thread. Once you have taken a side you should leave the powers to someone neutral. Or better yet don't mod unless you can stay neutral. We don't want any God complexes.

reading more into this forum I see this same issue as been brought up several times now which just reenforces what I was thinking on my own.

Replied to your post in the mod forum Dave. I think this is a matter between Alex and those who are part of his staff. If you have concerns, take them to those who can address them.

I just think do one or the other. I don't want to keep people for posting a view but if you do that don't mod that thread. Once you have taken a side you should leave the powers to someone neutral. Or better yet don't mod unless you can stay neutral. We don't want any God complexes.


But you seem to be missing the point...

Dre and Myself can still be an active 3rd party group and mod effectively based on I-club rules and decency.

It's not like we're altering the content of posts, mouse clicks ablaze. so i still fail to see your argument.

I am not talking about actual use of mod powers but the passive use of power in the way the title is mentioned in political statements/posts. The two should be kept apart.

Replied to your post in the mod forum Dave. I think this is a matter between Alex and those who are part of his staff. If you have concerns, take them to those who can address them.
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moderators are to serve what purpose david?

Answer me that one reallly fast.

Is it to

A. Make sure no one thinks or says certain things?

or

B. Encourage participation in a forum, while maintaining a certain level of decency? (also to move posts, delete spam, etc etc)

sorry i replied before i saw the last post or so,

to late tho he replied.. anyways i wont post anymore in here until you guys get it sorted out in the "moderator" forum (which i dont have access to so tear it up guys)

"b" of coarse.


and If someone askes me a question I should have the right to answer.

"b" of coarse.


and If someone askes me a question I should have the right to answer.


Yes you do. :)

You also have the ability as another moderator to PM me about your gripes before posting in public. Unfortunately, i don't have access to the 'Moderator's Forum' as of yet. If i did have access to said forum then we could have settled our differences in there without anyone realizing a conflict of interest & instability among I-Club and it's moderator's.

I've never treaded water in the forums you moderate but if i had a complaint I would have kept it private. In return, i'd appreciate the same respect from you in my AO.

That's all I have and ask.

dr3d1zzl3 clear your PM's they are full

Thread split to get you guys out of my sticky. :p

aint it great to see this forum used properly?

haha funny how you this forum is being used for the very thing you are fighting against.

(i cleared my pms)

haha funny how you this forum is being used for the very thing

Grap on my engrish y0.

I think this is going to work out great. Although the moderators have different views, they seem to have a great deal of respect for one another and to me it seems like the forum will do great with them in charge.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I almost did a tinkle in my pants!

I trully think that the moderators(staff) of this forum should not post thier political views or make political coments in this forum. If they cannot keep thier mouth shut get a new staff member for this forum.

It's pointless. You might as well be in the Moveon.org forum.

It's pointless. You might as well be in the Moveon.org forum.

So, David shouldn't voice his opinion about something he doesn't like? He should just leave rather than attempt to discuss it? You seriously misunderstand the purpose of this forum and i-club as a whole my friend.

So, David shouldn't voice his opinion about something he doesn't like? He should just leave rather than attempt to discuss it? You seriously misunderstand the purpose of this forum and i-club as a whole my friend.


Wow... your intuition is top notch! You cut right to the chase and are correct... there is no point in having a discussion here due to biased "moderators" who don't understand how to moderate a dialogue, but pounce on anyone with a differing opinion than their own.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it... wait... I'll guess the moderators are using bongs now.

I-club as a whole works fine... but this forum is joke and wonderful display of Anti-Bush crud.

I am a memeber of moveon.org but that is nothing to do with my mod status.

Wow... your intuition is top notch! You cut right to the chase and are correct... there is no point in having a discussion here due to biased "moderators" who don't understand how to moderate a dialogue, but pounce on anyone with a differing opinion than their own.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it... wait... I'll guess the moderators are using bongs now.

I-club as a whole works fine... but this forum is joke and wonderful display of Anti-Bush crud.

Their views are biased, as are all of ours. But their moderating will be impartial and strictly within the rules of the forum. if you don't liek something Salty or Dr3d1zzl3 has to say, then argue back. Don't take your ball and go home over some stupid "moral stand" because they have the power to change your posts, because that's not going to happen. If it does, they won't be moderators anymore, just liek I wouldn't be if I went around editing your posts or deleting everything you say. If, on the other hand, you can't handle arguing with them, then don't. But don't hide behind their position.

and the worst show on TV is crossfire. which you two remind me of. I am independant thinker not a sheep that goes off the right side of the bridge or off the left.

Who watches anything on TV expecting to be impartially informed of anything?

due to biased "moderators" who don't understand how to moderate a dialogue, but pounce on anyone with a differing opinion than their own.

I'm not going validate myself to a member that acts as his handle suggests. :wasteofmytime:

How exactly have we (the "biased moderators") pounced on anyone thus far? Are you familiar as to why this forum was created?
You aren't worth the dancing banana... instead you're a worthy candidate for the dancing poo http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/turd.gif

It's pointless. You might as well be in the Moveon.org forum.

feel free to put your two cents in man, i encourage you to make good posts with lots of information backing up your views and oppinions.

PLEASE DO

i agree seems that there are more vocal liberal leaning people then right wing bible thumpers on here.

So i encourage you to do the following

Make good posts with all sorts of information supporting your views
Make lots of the above
Do it for the fun and edumaction of it all

So when can we expect the first in the helladumb series?
;)

Wow... your intuition is top notch! You cut right to the chase and are correct... there is no point in having a discussion here due to biased "moderators" who don't understand how to moderate a dialogue, but pounce on anyone with a differing opinion than their own.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it... wait... I'll guess the moderators are using bongs now.

I-club as a whole works fine... but this forum is joke and wonderful display of Anti-Bush crud.


then shut up and do something about it allready, dont be intimidated by me or any other person who posts facts to back up their views. You by all means have just as much of a right as we do to do the same. We just seem to be doing it with more vigor then you are. So step up to the plate and start hitting some balls.

IE STOP WHINING AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALLREADY

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/turd.gif

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/turd.gif

that is pure genius... omfg hahaha

Guys, one last time.


Asking the moderators of the political forum to refrain from political discussion is EXACTLY like asking the tech forum moderators not to discuss technical issues. We wouldn't make people moderators of this forum if they were boring and humble and never had anything to say about politics. Everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon and assume that the job of all moderators is to control the members of the site, when that is flat out false. We are here to encourage discussion, create opportunities for members to debate ideas, and that is all. We are supposed to be the most active members of the forum, and that's how we were chosen to become i-club Staff members.

Each and every member of the forum, staff most especially, must respect the right of others to say what they have to say. None of us is required to respect the content of what any of us says and that goes doubly so in here. It's funny how everybody complainig about Eric is always on the opposite side of his politics. So, I ask all of you- is it his position you think is wrong, or his opinions?

Don't be so ignorant. Go read The Art of Dialogue.

It's clear you don't even understand the function of moderator.

Don't be so ignorant. Go read The Art of Dialogue.

It's clear you don't even understand the function of moderator.

This is not the International Debate Club. It's i-Club, and it's run by Alex. We do what Alex wants us to do because it's his board. You're trying to apply a definition of a word to our duties that is inapplicable.

This is not the International Debate Club. It's i-Club, and it's run by Alex. We do what Alex wants us to do because it's his board. You're trying to apply a definition of a word to our duties that is inapplicable.

Moderating is an art form, not a duty!

You are completely mising the point here. I understand the point you are trying to make, but it is not applicable here. We are not moderating Presidential debates here. We are here to enforce the rules of the forum on the rare occasions that is needed, and to encourage and develop discussion within the forums.

got it... got it.. got it... I was merely being sarcastic at the end there.

I think the point was clear though..... moderators don't seem to play the conventional moderator role in this forum... that's all.

ok now, bye-bye then.

Moderating consists of deleting spam, deleting threats and other similar crap, merging/splitting threads, stickying, etc. Now doing that and also voicing your own views should not be hard and I believe that the 2 moderators of this forum will have no trouble with that. I also believe that theres no point in giving them so much trouble about it. Actions speak louder than words. Give them the chance, and I'm sure they'll prove themselves and make you all happy. Also, a simple suggestion: You moderators have a special section, use it :)...I'm sure there will be a few threads that if you edit you will take some **** for. So if you think that might happen, get the opinions of your fellow moderators before editing them. :) Just my $0.02...Good Luck!