Yeah, Iran has only peaceful use of nukes, like the peace that would follow nuking all of its enemies off the planet.

in case you forgot;


The US is the only country that's ever used nukes against anyone else.

in case you forgot;


The US is the only country that's ever used nukes against anyone else.

WTF does that have to do w/ the price of tea in China?!
Should we not have used them?
Do you trust an overtly anti-Western/Radical Islamic state to have nukes?

BTW, do you have anything positive to say about America?

BTW, do you have anything positive to say about America?

While this incompetant criminal group calling themselves republicans but ignoring all of the basic tennets of conservatism and integrity is in charge, not really......

While this incompetant criminal group calling themselves republicans but ignoring all of the basic tennets of conservatism and integrity is in charge, not really......

Of course the all time classic example of integrity comes from our former President cheating on his wife in the White House while engaged in official business. At least he redeemed himself by fessing up to it when caught red handed. Oh, actually he tried to lie right to our faces. What else could he have so easily lied about? But enough of beating a dead dog.

BTW: this was a stab at Democrats. If you're not one and just a really pissed off Republican,...well, just ignore me...sorry.

Of course the all time classic example of integrity comes from our former President cheating on his wife in the White House while engaged in official business. At least he redeemed himself by fessing up to it when caught red handed. Oh, actually he tried to lie right to our faces. What else could he have so easily lied about? But enough of beating a dead dog.

BTW: this was a stab at Democrats. If you're not one and just a really pissed off Republican,...well, just ignore me...sorry.

Yeah cause cheating on your wife is way worse than starting a war based on lies and deception. :rolleyes:

BTW: this was a stab at Democrats. If you're not one and just a really pissed off Republican,...well, just ignore me...sorry.

Almost- I'm just a really pissed off Libertarian, so slag away at the Democrats if it makes you feel better.

But I tend to agree with Silverscoober- so Clinton cheated on his wife, well isn't he a prick- as far as I'm concerned the only person who deserves to be upset about that is Hillary.

Of course the all time classic example of integrity comes from our former President cheating on his wife in the White House while engaged in official business. At least he redeemed himself by fessing up to it when caught red handed. Oh, actually he tried to lie right to our faces. What else could he have so easily lied about? But enough of beating a dead dog.

BTW: this was a stab at Democrats. If you're not one and just a really pissed off Republican,...well, just ignore me...sorry.
Have you looked at Hillary? Monica is not that much better but Jesus, give the man a break! ;)

Have you looked at Hillary? Monica is not that much better but Jesus, give the man a break! ;)

Hey he didn't even have to look at monica...Just the top of her head ;)

knob schlobbin aint a crime damnit.. its a right of ever man to have his knob schlobbed..

i move for a new constitutional ammendment requiring knob schlobbing by all hot women...

No wonder Israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear power. They are smart enough to know that Islamic nations just might be ballsy enough whereas they wouldn't. It's precisely why Israel hasn't been so bullish with their nuclear program that may or may not exist in Dimona, and why they took out Iraq's years ago. It says something about how Israel will always be on the defensive with Islamic countries.

It also speaks volumes about how brainwashed Islamic nations really are and why I despise them the most (one of the reasons I tend to side with Israel). You have Jews in Israel that hold their religion and Jerusalem sacred but also remain far more civilized (I’ve heard it’s a GREAT country by service buddies). On the other hand you have citizens in Iran that hold the Qu'ran and their religious way of life so firmly that everything is tossed out the window that conflicts with them. Put it this way... how many al Qaeda equivalent terror groups do we have that consist of Jews in the USA or in other parts of the world that want to crush the spine of non-Jewish and Western ideology (Or even an Islamic nation unless it's on the defensive)? My point exactly. The only ones are Israel-based Jewish Zionist terrorist groups that play cat and mouse with their neighbors, not an entire nation. If there are any others I’ve miss then they are far too insignificant or do not hold a candle to Islamic terrorists.

It is all a part of one of the many games that Iran plays. Why rattle your sword if you are going to go stab someone with it? If Iran was serious they'd hold their cards close to their chest before revealing their hand. But like I said, you can never be too cautious with them because we all know what the Islamic mindset is capable of in their extremely selfish pursuits.

There is no security on this earth, there is only opportunity.
General Douglas MacArthur

Of course the all time classic example of integrity comes from our former President cheating on his wife in the White House while engaged in official business. At least he redeemed himself by fessing up to it when caught red handed. Oh, actually he tried to lie right to our faces. What else could he have so easily lied about? But enough of beating a dead dog.

BTW: this was a stab at Democrats. If you're not one and just a really pissed off Republican,...well, just ignore me...sorry.


HAHAHAHAH you've got to be kidding me. Yeah, lets forget for a second the lies that got us into a war and 2000 dead Americans, and look at what you are saying. Someone got busted for having a blow job from another woman other than his wife. And so he lied about it. Oh no couldn't be. But now you are trying to say he lied about other things because of this?! HAHAHAHA, Jesus I wonder what your opinion on Bush and the rest of them is?

I try and pursue lojasmo as a possible fake only to have you guys ask me to stay on topic. Why do I see 5 responses to Chris' post? :confused:

Wow, I havn't seen so many stupid posts in the same thread for awhile.

Wow, I havn't seen so many stupid posts in the same thread for awhile.
in case you forgot you're talking to a former x-files writer;
The US is the only country that's ever used nukes against anyone else.
Fixed. ;)
Please retract this statement or you will be rightfully labeled as a douche.

Yeah cause cheating on your wife is way worse than starting a war based on lies and deception. :rolleyes:
Tisk, I was beginning to believe you were smarter than that. How many times do, we really need to go over this topic?

Almost- I'm just a really pissed off Libertarian,
Liberatarian my bung.

knob schlobbin aint a crime damnit..
No, but purgery is a felony. ;)


I have yet to see one single ****ing post that has even tried to stay on the
suprisedley relevant topic Helladumb has presented.

**** you Iran. My money's on Isreal.
Sorry, I've read too many of Dre's posts.

What ever happened to good ol' zoroastrisim?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html

What would y'all post if Ariel Sharon had said that Iran is a country that should be wiped off the map? Doesn't that constitute genocide? Instead of calling calling something that quacks a duck, you have the nerve to change the subject to something as stupid as you did? Where does your liberal ideal af tolerance lie?

If this isn't throwing gas on a fire, I don't know what is.

Tisk, I was beginning to believe you were smarter than that. How many times do, we really need to go over this topic?

If you all really think that what Clinton did was worse than some of the things Bush has done I really feel sorry for you.

Everybody just keep blindly following the moron while all the indictments are handed down.

Bushy your doing a heck of a job! :rolleyes:

What would y'all post if Ariel Sharon had said that Iran is a country that should be wiped off the map? Doesn't that constitute genocide? Instead of calling calling something that quacks a duck, you have the nerve to change the subject to something as stupid as you did? Where does your liberal ideal af tolerance lie?

If this isn't throwing gas on a fire, I don't know what is.

Genocide would be when you actually do wipe some people off the map asshat. Talking about it is all Iran ever does. They try to stir the pot. Of course we should be wary of them and everyone will condemn the talk like they should. But I doubt they would ever go after Israel because they would get their ass handed to them.

If you all really think that what Clinton did was worse than some of the things Bush has done I really feel sorry for you.

Everybody just keep blindly following the moron while all the indictments are handed down.

Bushy your doing a heck of a job! :rolleyes:
Definately agree with this one...


Cheating on your wife > Killing thousands of people? hmmm :rolleyes:

The theory on why Iran wants nukes kind of makes me laugh. I would compare it to Compton drug dealers asking for parts that "ironically" are also used in making AT-4 anti-tank rockets. It seems so obvious what their intentions are it would be a get comedy piece if it weren't so damn serious. I'll agree (as I'm sure everyone does) that the whole Gaza Strip issue is a mess. Sure, the Isrealis want peace and the Palestinians want the land back that they feel is rightfully theirs. But why in the hell would you allow a nation in such geographic proximity to a demographic that they clearly demonstrate such great malice for to have the most powerful weapon in the world? Is it just me or is that downright retardation?

Nobody brought clinton into thread until you guys did. The thread is about Iran and thier hatred of everything unlike them. You are the ones who injected Clinton and bush into it instead of even addressing the topic.

Genocide would be when you actually do wipe some people off the map asshat. Talking about it is all Iran ever does. They try to stir the pot. Of course we should be wary of them and everyone will condemn the talk like they should. But I doubt they would ever go after Israel because they would get their ass handed to them.

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by IRNA.

So because they only talk about it it makes it less wrong? You faill to realize they want to make you and everyone like you into a Pez dispenser.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html

Hella, you should have provided a link to what you're talking about. Some of the less informed like to go off topic when a blanket statement is made.

So because they only talk about it it makes it less wrong? You faill to realize they want to make you and everyone like you into a Pez dispenser.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html

That's basically like someone who really wants you dead saying "I hope that son of **** gets shot. Anyway, back to me getting that pistol........."

No wonder Israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear power. They are smart enough to know that Islamic nations just might be ballsy enough whereas they wouldn't. It's precisely why Israel hasn't been so bullish with their nuclear program that may or may not exist in Dimona, and why they took out Iraq's years ago. It says something about how Israel will always be on the defensive with Islamic countries.

It also speaks volumes about how brainwashed Islamic nations really are and why I despise them the most (one of the reasons I tend to side with Israel). You have Jews in Israel that hold their religion and Jerusalem sacred but also remain far more civilized (I’ve heard it’s a GREAT country by service buddies). On the other hand you have citizens in Iran that hold the Qu'ran and their religious way of life so firmly that everything is tossed out the window that conflicts with them. Put it this way... how many al Qaeda equivalent terror groups do we have that consist of Jews in the USA or in other parts of the world that want to crush the spine of non-Jewish and Western ideology (Or even an Islamic nation unless it's on the defensive)? My point exactly. The only ones are Israel-based Jewish Zionist terrorist groups that play cat and mouse with their neighbors, not an entire nation. If there are any others I’ve miss then they are far too insignificant or do not hold a candle to Islamic terrorists.

It is all a part of one of the many games that Iran plays. Why rattle your sword if you are going to go stab someone with it? If Iran was serious they'd hold their cards close to their chest before revealing their hand. But like I said, you can never be too cautious with them because we all know what the Islamic mindset is capable of in their extremely selfish pursuits.

Let's try and get this thread back on track.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4384264.stm

Nice picture in that article, btw. Nothing like starting the hate early. God I hate the Middle East and Iran.

Nobody wants to talk about it, it's a diversion from the real neo-con and zionist terrorists. ;)
Besides, everyone knows the US are the only ones who would use a nuke.

Nobody wants to talk about it, it's a diversion from the real neo-con and zionist terrorists. ;)
Besides, everyone knows the US are the only ones who would use a nuke.

Hahahhah. Yeah, Iran needs nuclear power because they are all out of oil. ;)

Please retract this statement or you will be rightfully labeled as a douche.

Call me what you want punk, I don't really give a rats ass whay your opinion is, if you think I'm a douche, well that's probably batter than what I think of brain dead children like you.



Liberatarian my bung.


I've been a straight party-voting, card-carrying Libertarian party member since you were 2 years old, apparently you don't know what Libertarianism is about.



I have yet to see one single ****ing post that has even tried to stay on the
suprisedley relevant topic Helladumb has presented.

**** you Iran. My money's on Isreal.

The completely irrelevent post that started this thread was conjecture that because of anti-Israeli rhetoric from Iranian radicals, Iran must have their Nuclear program in place to make weapons.

If it comes down to who will be nuking who first, I'd put my money on Israel too, they have the means, Iran simply doesn't have the means.

Call me what you want punk, I don't really give a rats ass whay your opinion is, if you think I'm a douche, well that's probably batter than what I think of brain dead children like you..
Sorry, I may have gotten a little ahead of myself. I didn't mean to call you a douch because of your opinion, but that was a pretty douchy comment. Instead of adressing the issue, you among others felt the need to defend hateful rhetoric with a comment like you made. What the heck does ww2 have to do with anything? It doesn't, get over it. No **** the US is the only country that has ever used a nuke. And because of it you're not speaking japanese or german. Would you care to explain how your comparison is relevant to the topic?

Helladumbs thread was misleading and possibly baiting for reactions like he got. He should have posted a link to what he was talking about instead of just making an inflamatory comment.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/29/D8DHPFNOF.html

Iran announced earlier this year that it had fully developed solid fuel technology for missiles, a major breakthrough that increases their accuracy. The Shahab-3, with a range of 810 miles to more than 1,200 miles, is capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel and U.S. forces in the Middle East.
"Iran is loyal to its commitments based on the U.N. charter and it has never used or threatened to use force against any country," the ministry added.
Uh huh.
"Death to Isreal" is not a threat? "Death to America" isn't a threat?
Russia, a key ally of Iran, summoned the Iranian ambassador seeking an explanation for Ahmadinejad's remarks. Chile joined in the criticism Friday, saying "this kind of statements seriously damages efforts to achieve a lasting peace in the middle East."

The Foreign Ministry said the international community was treating Tehran unfairly, accusing it of failing to come to Iran's defense when it comes under attack from the United States or Israel over claims it is developing nuclear weapons or supporting Islamic militants.

Helladumbs thread was misleading and possibly baiting for reactions like he got. He should have posted a link to what he was talking about instead of just making an inflamatory comment.

I simply quoted the leader of Iran... you know that much right?

It's really not my problem if you aren't up to date on world events.

I simply quoted the leader of Iran... you know that much right?

I do, but some don't.
It's really not my problem if you aren't up to date on world events.
That was my point.

What would y'all post if Ariel Sharon had said that Iran is a country that should be wiped off the map? Doesn't that constitute genocide? .....

That is pretty much what a lot of them have been saying about Arabs in general for a long time....

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies *not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

not enough?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians.html


All this discord began when the UN created two states, Israel and Palestine, and Israel started out refusing to recognize Palestine. This prompted the other Arab nations to refuse to recognize Israel and the whole region has been going to hell in a hand basket ever since. If Israel would only learn to accord to other people the same rights it demands for itself, none of this would be happening.

http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2005/10/lets-not-forget-to-expel-israel-too.html

israel will kick their ass. they sleep with their boots on.

Which nation is burning numerous Israeli flags in streets as we speak with prepubescent children and the overwhelming support of their government? How can you people possibly side next to that (not necessarily for it)? They have literally centered hollywood-types stunts around the destruction of the Israeli flag and parade their nuclear program like a true testament to Allah. Although there's questionable proof on Israel's nuke program, you can rest assured they have them. So why aren't they waiving their arsenal like a shiny new toy?

Articles aside, I could never understand how Liberals could ever be against Israel in modern times. Sure they started out very ruthless, but Israel has been a peaceful, equal opportunity and free society much like their western counterparts for years. The only way I can justify the liberal standpoint is that they'll cast aside the greater good so long as everything is castrated. What do you people hold sacred? Enlighten me, please!

one more time for those who don't like to read:


If Israel would only learn to accord to other people the same rights it demands for itself, none of this would be happening.

And let me go on the record by saying I am not "against Israel" anymore than I am "against America".

What I am against are those people who- under any flag, are willing to pass collective judgement against others and wish ill will on anyone because of their religion, color or what country they happened to be born into, with no cause or contact with those they denigrate whatsoever.


And I think that covers a few of you here too...

israel will kick their ass. they sleep with their boots on.

if it comes to that, no question, but it really doesn't have to come down to that.

if it comes to that, no question, but it really doesn't have to come down to that.

If it does come to that expect all hell to break loose. The arabic nations will not just sit back and use it as a excuse to attack Israel. Their is no love for Israel at all considering the past. Pluss economically we will be hurting while this goes on. I don't see anyone winning. And lets hope to god the US doesn't enter it.

All this discord began when the UN created two states, Israel and Palestine, and Israel started out refusing to recognize Palestine. This prompted the other Arab nations to refuse to recognize Israel and the whole region has been going to hell in a hand basket ever since. If Israel would only learn to accord to other people the same rights it demands for itself, none of this would be happening.

Israel as a sovereign nation has no obligation to extend rights to anyone or anything but Israel. They are smart, tough, and the U.S. has their back.

I don't understand why it would be in their best interest to do anything to please any of the Islamic nations... even the one you say the UN made-up called palestine.

What I am against are those people who- under any flag, are willing to pass collective judgement against others and wish ill will on anyone because of their religion, color or what country they happened to be born into, with no cause or contact with those they denigrate whatsoever.

So you really are against Iran? You do realize Iran reflects the worst level of what you describe here whereas Israel comes in at a distant 10th. Sure, they say things against the Islamic states out of frustration but they don't hold a candle to Iran on the bullying, idiocy and complete BS scale. Not even close.

I mean at least Israel affords the same rights to Muslims within Israel when Iran would gladly lynch you publicly for holding a cross. When they withdrew from Gaza one of Israel's major concerns where how many Palestinians within Gaza may be without jobs because their Jewish employers had to leave. I think that speaks volumes.

All i'm saying is that you don't post articles that weakly attempt to bring down Israel to Iran's level unless you truly despise anything relating to what America currently is. The proof is that Israel is so far above Iran in every respect that it's not even comparable. Another thing to consider is that Iran doesn't give a damn about us. They would gladly kill you in cold blood as you try and convince them you're on their side. But whatever, man... sounds like your hatred toward high school jocks carried over to your adult life.

If it does come to that expect all hell to break loose. The arabic nations will not just sit back and use it as a excuse to attack Israel. Their is no love for Israel at all considering the past. Pluss economically we will be hurting while this goes on. I don't see anyone winning. And lets hope to god the US doesn't enter it.

Of course war is never a good thing. I don't know where I would stand on this. I'd have to give it serious consideration.

So you really are against Iran?

Certain people in Iran you bet, maybe even a not insignificant minority of Iranians, maybe even a majority, but I doubt that.




... sounds like your hatred toward high school jocks carried over to your adult life.


ah... ya caught me there Salty- so true!

What's funny is that the same mofos here in America that are all for Isreal to surrender to the Palestinians and stick "FREE TIBET" bumperstickers to their 1985 Volvo 245 wagon, would never sign the deed of their house over to an Indian/Native American.

Can someone explain the mystique of nuke bombs?
From an engineer's point of view, they are simply a better mousetrap.
What's the difference between firebombing a city & nuking it?

Oh, and Isreal would stomp Iran any day of the week & twice on Sunday.

Of course war is never a good thing. I don't know where I would stand on this. I'd have to give it serious consideration.

In all honesty I think we should stay the **** out of that area in general as much as we can. One of the things that has out lasted every government in the world is religion. I don't think ****ing with them would be wise at all. If Israel and the Arabic nations get into the best thing we could do is stay out and do things covertly. The last thing we need is for that war to leak over to us. Also the oil priceses would sky rocket. It just wouldn't be pretty at all. :(

In all honesty I think we should stay the **** out of that area in general as much as we can.
I agree with everything in your post but we wern't really involved in anything over there in fall of 2001 either.

One of the things that has out lasted every government in the world is religion.
Very good point. Government exists physically and can always be quelled, while religon is something that will always still be a part of human spirit.

One of the things that has out lasted every government in the world is religion.

That is a very good point.

I just wonder how we'd be percieved if we didn't help Israel? I'm sure a lot of people would be pissed. But the fact is they're half way across the globe and our economy remains stable and other things we need to take care of here get taken care of.

Even though America is an ally of Israel, a war on religion wouldn't stop until near annilation. It would be horrific. I would have to side with not getting involved because both their beliefs mean absolutely dick to me.

I agree with everything in your post but we wern't really involved in anything over there in fall of 2001 either.

Disagree, they see us helping out Israel through money and verbally. That is one of the reasons they dislike us.

Disagree, they see us helping out Israel through money and verbally. That is one of the reasons they dislike us.
How much money has the US given to palestine?

How much money has the US given to palestine?

Not nearly as much as given to Israel. Let me see if I can find stats when I have the time.

http://www.israelactivism.com/hrcampus/alerts/2003/10/oct24.html

A article obviously biased towards israel but you see how much money difference has been given to Israel vs Palestine. But it states we gave 90 billion to Israel and in that same time period 2 billion to Palestine. I'm sure you can find a better article with stats if you have the time. Buts what I came up with in 2 mins. :)

I don't understand why it would be in their best interest to do anything to please any of the Islamic nations... even the one you say the UN made-up called palestine.

I thought I remembered someone suggesting that I was mistaken when I "say the UN made up Palestine" sadly it wasn't anyone worth arguing with, but just for the sake of educating the uneducatable;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_181

I thought I remembered someone suggesting that I was mistaken when I "say the UN made up Palestine" sadly it wasn't anyone worth arguing with, but just for the sake of educating the uneducatable;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_181


And an undisputable source too. Props.

And an undisputable source too. Props.
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A article obviously biased towards israel but you see how much money difference has been given to Israel vs Palestine. But it states we gave 90 billion to Israel and in that same time period 2 billion to Palestine. I'm sure you can find a better article with stats if you have the time. Buts what I came up with in 2 mins. :)

Glad you brought that up. The 2 billion is just a vain gesture to appease fanatics that support the mock country. That 90 billion given to Israel is to restrain them from wiping out the "palestinians."

Whatever your opinion on the matter, Israel won, and they get to keep the spoils of war. If Iran wiped out Israel, do you think Iran would give the land back? Give me a break.

Can you imagine if other countries funded American Indians or Mexico so they could get part of the U.S. back? Not gonna happen likely, but if you can imagine it.....

Glad you brought that up. The 2 billion is just a vain gesture to appease fanatics that support the mock country. That 90 billion given to Israel is to restrain them from wiping out the "palestinians."

Whatever your opinion on the matter, Israel won, and they get to keep the spoils of war. If Iran wiped out Israel, do you think Iran would give the land back? Give me a break.

Can you imagine if other countries funded American Indians or Mexico so they could get part of the U.S. back? Not gonna happen likely, but if you can imagine it.....


Wow don't know where to start with this one. Maybe when I have more time.

Wow don't know where to start with this one. Maybe when I have more time.

Well, nothing that you can say will trump the "God gave it to the Jews" argument, so........ :)

Well, nothing that you can say will trump the "God gave it to the Jews" argument, so........ :)


I conceed, I am defeated! haha :p