wagon oversteer tire pressure
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I have a wrx wagon on stock re92 (until they wear out)
with the following suspention mods:
prodrive springs
sadan rear sway bar
vivid racing solid end links
I was running 32 psi all the way around.
I have pretty extream understear
the wagon has near 50/50 weight distribusion
anyone have sucsess with adjusting tire pressure to reduce understeer/ induce overstear?
I just adjusted to 35f 38r, but havent driven yet
with the following suspention mods:
prodrive springs
sadan rear sway bar
vivid racing solid end links
I was running 32 psi all the way around.
I have pretty extream understear
the wagon has near 50/50 weight distribusion
anyone have sucsess with adjusting tire pressure to reduce understeer/ induce overstear?
I just adjusted to 35f 38r, but havent driven yet
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im surprised you are having problems with understeer...the RE-92's break loose quite easily causing drifts more then anything...atleast thats what i felt when I had them on my car...
Sorry, but the weight distribution on the WRX Wagon is nowhere near 50/50. Road and Track listed it at 60/40 ("Why Not a Wagon" article 5/2002). That's a lot of mass up there that causes the plowing.
I would personally adjust the tire pressure to be higher in the front and lower in the rear. This will allow greater sidewall flex in the rear which will generate greater slip angles and some degree of oversteer.
As always, make changes slowly (I usually change tire pressures 2 psi at a time) and see how they will effect the handling of the car.
I would personally adjust the tire pressure to be higher in the front and lower in the rear. This will allow greater sidewall flex in the rear which will generate greater slip angles and some degree of oversteer.
As always, make changes slowly (I usually change tire pressures 2 psi at a time) and see how they will effect the handling of the car.
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...a stiffer rear sway. My wagon is extremly neutral as she sites, and I have like GC heavy rated rear springs (like 350 rear) I think wants I install my 24mm rear bar and set KYB's to a farely stiff setting in the rear, she'll have plenty of oversteer!
I will let yall know once I get off of my lazy but and put on some stuff...
~Brian
I will let yall know once I get off of my lazy but and put on some stuff...
~Brian
Jetguy, the numbers just do not support your claim of a 50/50 weight split.
WRX Sedan: 3130 lbs, 61/39 weight distribution (R&T 5/2001)
WRX Wagon: 3245 lbs, 60/40 weight distribution (R&T 5/2002)
All other road tests place the weight distribution within a percentage point of those figures. The 80 lbs added to the rear is simply not enough weight to move the distribution from 61/39 all the way to 50/50!
The few front-engined cars that do achieve a 50/50 weight split do so by either 1) moving the engine significantly rearward in the chassis, usually so its centerline is behind the front axle, and/or 2) placing the transmission in the rear, i.e. a rear transaxle. I don't think this is practical for a front engine/ AWD car, although they usually have better weight distribution than FWD cars due to the weight of the rear axle.
Some examples of cars that achieve nearly perfect weight distribution with a rear transaxle are the Porsche 944 and the Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT/GTV6.
WRX Sedan: 3130 lbs, 61/39 weight distribution (R&T 5/2001)
WRX Wagon: 3245 lbs, 60/40 weight distribution (R&T 5/2002)
All other road tests place the weight distribution within a percentage point of those figures. The 80 lbs added to the rear is simply not enough weight to move the distribution from 61/39 all the way to 50/50!
The few front-engined cars that do achieve a 50/50 weight split do so by either 1) moving the engine significantly rearward in the chassis, usually so its centerline is behind the front axle, and/or 2) placing the transmission in the rear, i.e. a rear transaxle. I don't think this is practical for a front engine/ AWD car, although they usually have better weight distribution than FWD cars due to the weight of the rear axle.
Some examples of cars that achieve nearly perfect weight distribution with a rear transaxle are the Porsche 944 and the Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT/GTV6.
I used the Road & Track numbers because they actually weigh the car on a scale instead of relying on manufacturer data. The manufacturer weights you cite still leave the front to rear weight ratio relatively unchanged.
Using a weight of 3085 for the sedan with a 60/40 weight distribution, this gives us weights of 1851 lbs front and 1234 lbs rear. You would need to add 617 lbs to the rear to achieve equal weight distribution.
Now, I'm sure we are all glad Subaru only added 80 lbs to the wagon and not 617 - we'd end up with a car with equal weight distribution but weighing in at a portly 3702 lbs! Now that's almost as heavy as an Audi
Using a weight of 3085 for the sedan with a 60/40 weight distribution, this gives us weights of 1851 lbs front and 1234 lbs rear. You would need to add 617 lbs to the rear to achieve equal weight distribution.
Now, I'm sure we are all glad Subaru only added 80 lbs to the wagon and not 617 - we'd end up with a car with equal weight distribution but weighing in at a portly 3702 lbs! Now that's almost as heavy as an Audi
Last edited by joecab; Jan 23, 2003 at 10:38 AM.
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it all depends on how much of a moment you have. the arm is how far the weight is from center of gravity.
weight X arm = moment
so if you take the wagons rear hatch all the way in the back and higher up this is how you gat the 50/50 weight distrubusion.
if road and track are working with flwed data from the get go I can not relay on there final hypothisis of there calculated weight distrubution
and yes I am happy my wagon weighs 3165lbs vs. 3702
any way ........... anyone mess with tire pressures?
weight X arm = moment
so if you take the wagons rear hatch all the way in the back and higher up this is how you gat the 50/50 weight distrubusion.
if road and track are working with flwed data from the get go I can not relay on there final hypothisis of there calculated weight distrubution
and yes I am happy my wagon weighs 3165lbs vs. 3702
any way ........... anyone mess with tire pressures?
Yes, back to the real world... Polar Moment is much different than simple weight distribution. I don't know enough about the subject to calculate or comment on that.
I was much happier with the understeer when I ran 38 psi front 34 psi rear on the stock RE-92s. Although it didn't eliminate push the onset came at higher limits. Judging from the scuff marks on the outer edges of the tread, the tires were also being worked more evenly at those pressures.
I now have snow tires on and get understeer in the dry no matter what
I was much happier with the understeer when I ran 38 psi front 34 psi rear on the stock RE-92s. Although it didn't eliminate push the onset came at higher limits. Judging from the scuff marks on the outer edges of the tread, the tires were also being worked more evenly at those pressures.
I now have snow tires on and get understeer in the dry no matter what
Last edited by joecab; Jan 23, 2003 at 11:02 AM.
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