Michelin Pilot Sport Cup
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just looking at the tread pattern, i'd guess that it wouldn't go too well with rain, and even less well with snow. that said, i don't know for sure, since i don't have any experience with them.
are they R compound tires?
are they R compound tires?
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Originally posted by dropkick_muppet
just looking at the tread pattern, i'd guess that it wouldn't go too well with rain, and even less well with snow. that said, i don't know for sure, since i don't have any experience with them.
are they R compound tires?
just looking at the tread pattern, i'd guess that it wouldn't go too well with rain, and even less well with snow. that said, i don't know for sure, since i don't have any experience with them.
are they R compound tires?
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yep, they're R compounds. here is what the tire rack has to say about them:
Developed for drivers who participate in autocross and track events, the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup is a DOT legal street competition radial that is designed to increase driving excitement by providing class winning traction and handling.
On the outside, the Pilot Sport Cup uses dual zone tread compounds with the outer shoulder compound optimized for dry handling and the inside shoulder compound focused on wet traction. These tread compounds are molded into a 6/32” deep asymmetric tread design that features a massive outer shoulder rib to further enhance steering response and cornering stability while circumferential grooves and independent tread blocks are used on the inner portion of the tread design to enhance damp track traction. Internally, the Pilot Sport Cup features two, full-width steel belts reinforced with Michelin’s Banded At Zero (BAZ) technology to stiffen the tread area to help prevent the contact area from distorting during aggressive acceleration, cornering and braking. The Pilot Sport Cup radial’s basic sidewall materials and architecture have been carried forward from Michelin’s Pilot Sport line of Max Performance tires.
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires feature sidewall styling with subtle black letters. They are be available in selected 55-, 50-, 45-, 40-, 35- and 30-series, Y-speed rated sizes for 15", 16”, 17” and 18" wheel diameters.
On the outside, the Pilot Sport Cup uses dual zone tread compounds with the outer shoulder compound optimized for dry handling and the inside shoulder compound focused on wet traction. These tread compounds are molded into a 6/32” deep asymmetric tread design that features a massive outer shoulder rib to further enhance steering response and cornering stability while circumferential grooves and independent tread blocks are used on the inner portion of the tread design to enhance damp track traction. Internally, the Pilot Sport Cup features two, full-width steel belts reinforced with Michelin’s Banded At Zero (BAZ) technology to stiffen the tread area to help prevent the contact area from distorting during aggressive acceleration, cornering and braking. The Pilot Sport Cup radial’s basic sidewall materials and architecture have been carried forward from Michelin’s Pilot Sport line of Max Performance tires.
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires feature sidewall styling with subtle black letters. They are be available in selected 55-, 50-, 45-, 40-, 35- and 30-series, Y-speed rated sizes for 15", 16”, 17” and 18" wheel diameters.
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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
They'll work awesome.
Until it rains or you go about 800 miles, whichever comes first.
Until it rains or you go about 800 miles, whichever comes first.
bmw warns against driving the m3 csl in the rain with those tires. it could be downright scary since they really dont have any tread.
as track tires, they are great. however, i'd recommend toyo ra-1's. 95% of the performance in a longer-wearing tire that is much more streetable.
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I have Falken Sport Tires on my Car now, and they seem to be ok in the rain, but i wanted a change in tires so, i think that running the Cups' will be a big differnce, im not planing to drive in any heavy bad weather. Mostly for some track, n highway driving, pluss the tread pattern is sick so i figure it will make the car more arrgressive looking , and the driving n handling will get that same effect.
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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
They'll work awesome.
Until it rains or you go about 800 miles, whichever comes first.
Until it rains or you go about 800 miles, whichever comes first.
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A friend ran these on his M3, he got about 7,000 miles on his set, which included a few autocrosses and one track play day. They were full tread depth, not shaved, when he mounted them. Compared to Hoosiers or V710 Kumhos, they don't have the grip. Fairly similar to the Yoko A-32R and Pirelli Corsa in feel. They don't mind heat. I had no experience with them in the rain.
FWIW, I'm on a set of 255/40-17 Pirelli Corsas for the street. My car will be more of a weekend car, since I've got a new truck for daily business. I'll probably run these at local autocross events and track days, save the Hoosiers for more important autocross events. So far, I've driven in some pretty heavy rain, and they are quite grippy. It's a misconception that R-Compounds suck in wet. Granted, deep puddles they will suck, but wet and damp roads, most R compounds perform better than the best street tire. MAny still use a full tread Kumho Victoracer as their wet tire at nats, except for those with budget to afford Hoosier DOT Radial wets.
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FWIW, I'm on a set of 255/40-17 Pirelli Corsas for the street. My car will be more of a weekend car, since I've got a new truck for daily business. I'll probably run these at local autocross events and track days, save the Hoosiers for more important autocross events. So far, I've driven in some pretty heavy rain, and they are quite grippy. It's a misconception that R-Compounds suck in wet. Granted, deep puddles they will suck, but wet and damp roads, most R compounds perform better than the best street tire. MAny still use a full tread Kumho Victoracer as their wet tire at nats, except for those with budget to afford Hoosier DOT Radial wets.
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The Sport Cups are fine in the rain... Much better than some so called rain tires...
I have been using these tires for about 15 autocross events... Plus some street driving in the summer. The key is proper inflation and rotation. They have enough life in them for at least another 5 events...
I have been using these tires for about 15 autocross events... Plus some street driving in the summer. The key is proper inflation and rotation. They have enough life in them for at least another 5 events...
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ESX, I have a 'street' alignment. A little more aggresive then stock. Camber is -1.3 in front with 0 toe. For regular street driving I run 36 in front and 33 in back. The alignment was done more for driving pleasure.