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Old 10-23-2005, 04:14 PM
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Dude, look it up. Scientist even found sodom... the soil is burnt to ****e for no apparent reason.
I am not the one who made the assertion. The burden of proof does not rest on me.
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While the burden of proof may not fall on you, the "burden" of an initial investigation does.

A multitude of both historical and anthropological evidence corroborates certain facets of the New Testament.
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there is also support in old texts for the existence of a magical mythical place called atlantis...
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Originally Posted by dub2w
While the burden of proof may not fall on you, the "burden" of an initial investigation does.
Nope. Vibeeleven made a statement of fact:

Actually many of the stories in the bible are historically accurate.
I asked for a citation to back his claim. One has not been forthcoming.

To be fair, I did make a cursory investigation. I believe vibe's statement is utter crap.
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HAAHAHAH I guess the statement "have faith" has no meaning here.

Just curious.
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HAAHAHAH I guess the statement "have faith" has no meaning here.

Just curious.

Faith=belief without evidence. Not much different from a delusional state.

I'm not buyin' it.
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Upon what anthropoligical evidence do you base your assertion?
Have you read the bible and compared it to a college level world civilization or ancient history book? The old testament is the part I'm referring to.

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Regardless of how much of the bible actually happened, how much was embelished, and how much was plain made up (I'd bet there are all three in there...), it's rediculous to think the authors had the ability to predict/see the future. All of the parts of the bible pertaining to times after when the bible were written are alagories designed to scare/encourage believers into acting right. They have to be...the topic of this thread is really proof that the bible authors didn't know jack about the future...
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Nope. Vibeeleven made a statement of fact:



I asked for a citation to back his claim. One has not been forthcoming.

To be fair, I did make a cursory investigation. I believe vibe's statement is utter crap.
You are an idiot then. You didn't ask for ****. What the **** do you want? Try reading a history book. I don't need to prove anything to you lojasmo, I know I'm right, so do professors and scholars of history. I never said everything in the bible is true, I said many of the stories of the bible are fairly accurate.

Here's a few examples of events from the bible that actually did happen.
The tower of babal
The hanging gardens of Nebudchanezzar
Noahs ark (this can be disputed but similar stories have influenced literature in egypt and sumeria.
King saul of the isrealites
King david
king Darius (assyria)
Too many of the archaic and hellenistic greek battles were referenced in the old testament for me to even list.

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Lajasmo, if you made a "cursory investigation" then you must have found some evidence. It is there. The most hardened atheists who teach ancient civ history on a college level wouldnt deny that.
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The most hardened atheists who teach ancient civ history on a college level wouldnt deny that.
My anc. civ. professor is one of them.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
My anc. civ. professor is one of them.
Werd. I majored in History and had several classes that used the Old Testament as a historical reference in certain circumstances. While the Bible is full of stories and parables, historical references abound, making it arguably the most complete historical comilation of the ancient world.
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Thank you. My book actually has references from the bible citing the isrealites return from babalyon among others.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
You are an idiot then. You didn't ask for ****. What the **** do you want? Try reading a history book. I don't need to prove anything to you lojasmo, I know I'm right, so do professors and scholars of history. I never said everything in the bible is true, I said many of the stories of the bible are fairly accurate.

Here's a few examples of events from the bible that actually did happen.
The tower of babal
The hanging gardens of Nebudchanezzar
Noahs ark (this can be disputed but similar stories have influenced literature in egypt and sumeria.
King saul of the isrealites
King david
king Darius (assyria)
Too many of the archaic and hellenistic greek battles were referenced in the old testament for me to even list.

...Noah's ark is most likely a reiteration of a super ancient flood story, and while King David was a real king, his kingdom was NOT as it is described in the bible at all...but yes, most of the bible is loosely based on actual events.
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Look at the thread has progressed. I haven't seen anything about America since about the 3rd post.
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