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Old 06-29-2009, 03:59 PM
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Why is Barry "Meddling" in Honduras?

The Obama administration and members of the Organization of American States had worked for weeks to try to avert any moves to overthrow President Zelaya, said senior U.S. officials.
Do you find it odd that Barry is on the same side as Chavez?

Hmmmmm......
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:06 PM
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Remind me again Paul, from which university did you get your Ph.D in political science?
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile View Post
Remind me again Paul, from which university did you get your Ph.D in political science?
School of Hard ****ing Knocks.

What, only those with doctorates in politics can "know" politics?
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aside from the medical profession, most doctorates have their heads so far up their asses they have lost all grasp of reality.
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a) Linky?

b) Zelaya may be a socialist, but he was legitimately elected. Whether or not we agree with his policies we should support a legitimately elected leader over any military coup.

"We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the President of Honduras - the democratically elected president there," said President Obama.

Mr. Obama says the United States is joining with others, including the Organization of American States, demanding that President Zelaya be reinstated. He says there is great concern throughout the region about the situation in Honduras.

"It would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards to an era in which we are seeing military coups as a way of political transition, rather than democratic elections," said Mr. Obama.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-29-voa60.cfm

Seems pretty reasonable to me

Obama's statement on the issue (vid):
http://www.politico.com/politico44/p...2eeea5095.html

"We want to stand stand with democracy even if the results do not always mean that the leaders of those countries are favorable to the U.S"
I think he is playing this well, and it could work out in our favor.

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I think Obama is a communist.

Their court system ordered the leader out. The military followed through. Their leader, who was exiled, runs along with Castro, a communist?

Why did Obama sit out of Iran's politics, lets thousands of people die there. Then MEDDLE in Hondauras FOR a dictator that runs with the mind of Castro? That seems too in cahoots with me.

What I think?
Zelaya is mingled with the US, and that's why people wanted him out in the country, and they sure booted him out. Obama wants him back in or else he might not have much influence in that country. Sure the US sends AID there all the time, but what if the newly elected leader isn't easily as influenced as Zelaya, then the US has to think about how much support we are sending in there and if they are still allied with us.
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Originally Posted by iLoqin View Post
I think Obama is a communist.

Their court system ordered the leader out. The military followed through. Their leader, who was exiled, runs along with Castro, a communist?

Why did Obama sit out of Iran's politics, lets thousands of people die there. Then MEDDLE in Hondauras FOR a dictator that runs with the mind of Castro? That seems too in cahoots with me.
Where is the meddling? The vid is right up there. I still don't' see how releasing a statement in support of a democratically elected leader is meddling. I also have not seen any evidence of more significant involvement by the U.S. in Honduras (i.e. providing weapons, money, ect.). He released a similar-type statement in regards to Iran, which IMO was the right thing to do.

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What I think?
Zelaya is mingled with the US, and that's why people wanted him out in the country, and they sure booted him out. Obama wants him back in or else he might not have much influence in that country. Sure the US sends AID there all the time, but what if the newly elected leader isn't easily as influenced as Zelaya, then the US has to think about how much support we are sending in there and if they are still allied with us.
Really? Last time I checked, "the people" does not equal "the military." For all your big talk about democracy you are supporting this military coup that ousted a democratically elected leader? ? You really think that this is a legitimate takeover of power by a military establishment? And do you honestly believe that the Honduran supreme court's statement was released without any pressure from the military or the president of the congress?


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That's all fine and dandy, but when an elected official becomes tyrannical, he/she needs to go.

And that seems to have happened in Honduras:

Honduras Defends Its Democracy

That Mr. Zelaya acted as if he were above the law, there is no doubt. While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.

But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.
So, to me, it seems that here's a leader that was "democratically" elected that has his own interests/views rather than the people's, and is going to do things that are illegal in the eyes ofthe constitution.

And this is the "side" that Barry picks to support.
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wow politics is up early haha
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Man, i wish the Supreme court here would throw out the president NOW. LoL, Go Honduras, maybe US can learn a thing or two about getting rid of Politicians who think they're above the law.

Checks and balances, the court system needs to put the presidential branch in check. That branch has been killing innocent lives, running wars without declaring a war for too long. These Campaigns and operations have had no solid ground. "War on Terror" doesn't even come close to an excuse. We have no business meddling in other people's affairs, but we speak out against Honduras? And NOT iran? and let thousands die and be captured in iran?

If we're going to do something, do it consistently. IMO Democrats are turning more communist everyday. Cap the Rich, give it to the government to spread everything out to the poor.

Government only needs a few funds, the main one being military, the rest is baloney.
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Originally Posted by iLoqin View Post
Man, i wish the Supreme court here would throw out the president NOW. LoL, Go Honduras, maybe US can learn a thing or two about getting rid of Politicians who think they're above the law.

Checks and balances, the court system needs to put the presidential branch in check. That branch has been killing innocent lives, running wars without declaring a war for too long. These Campaigns and operations have had no solid ground. "War on Terror" doesn't even come close to an excuse. We have no business meddling in other people's affairs, but we speak out against Honduras? And NOT iran? and let thousands die and be captured in iran?

If we're going to do something, do it consistently. IMO Democrats are turning more communist everyday. Cap the Rich, give it to the government to spread everything out to the poor.

Government only needs a few funds, the main one being military, the rest is baloney.
Have you actually read Karl Marx?
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