When will it stop?
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When will it stop?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050820/ts_nm/bush_dc
oh and one for the history buffs..
name these quotes
President George W. Bush said on Saturday U.S. troops in
Iraq were fighting to protect Americans at home from more attacks like those of September 11, 2001, starting a five-day focus on his case for the war amid growing public discontent.
"Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq,
Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
"They know that if we do not confront these evil men abroad, we will have to face them one day in our own cities and streets, and they know that the safety and security of every American is at stake in this war, and they know we will prevail," he said.
His comments came as the public shows more discontent with his handling of Iraq, with high-profile protests during Bush's ranch vacation and new poll results showing nearly six in 10 Americans are worrying about the outcome of the war.
Asked whether the United States was meeting its objectives in Iraq, 56 percent of those polled said it was not and 39 percent said it was. The poll is to be published in next month's issue of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign relations.
Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, became a symbol for anti-war protesters after camping near Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch, where he is on vacation, urging him to bring U.S. troops home.
More than 1,800 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq and thousands more wounded.
The Bush administration justified going to war in Iraq in 2003 by saying it posed a threat because of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. None have been found.
Critics say Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington and that the administration has tried to tie Iraq to terrorism since the war to justify its actions.
"In a few weeks, our country will mark the four-year anniversary of the attacks of September the 11th, 2001. On that day, we learned that vast oceans and friendly neighbors no longer protect us from those who wish to harm our people," Bush said. "And since that day, we have taken the fight to the enemy," he said.
"We're fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, and around the world, striking them in foreign lands before they can attack us here at home," Bush said.
Next week Bush will meet with members of the Idaho National Guard, and also see members of the Mountain Home Air Force Base who played a leading role in the air bombing campaign in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks, Bush said. He will also address the Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention in Utah.
Bush likened the current situation to World War Two when U.S. forces "helped former enemies rebuild and form free and peaceful societies that would become strong allies of America."
He acknowledged the deaths in the current war and said: "We owe these fallen heroes our gratitude, and we offer their families our heartfelt condolences and prayers."
"Now we must finish the task that our troops have given their lives for and honor their sacrifice by completing their mission," he said.
Iraq were fighting to protect Americans at home from more attacks like those of September 11, 2001, starting a five-day focus on his case for the war amid growing public discontent.
"Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq,
Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
"They know that if we do not confront these evil men abroad, we will have to face them one day in our own cities and streets, and they know that the safety and security of every American is at stake in this war, and they know we will prevail," he said.
His comments came as the public shows more discontent with his handling of Iraq, with high-profile protests during Bush's ranch vacation and new poll results showing nearly six in 10 Americans are worrying about the outcome of the war.
Asked whether the United States was meeting its objectives in Iraq, 56 percent of those polled said it was not and 39 percent said it was. The poll is to be published in next month's issue of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign relations.
Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, became a symbol for anti-war protesters after camping near Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch, where he is on vacation, urging him to bring U.S. troops home.
More than 1,800 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq and thousands more wounded.
The Bush administration justified going to war in Iraq in 2003 by saying it posed a threat because of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. None have been found.
Critics say Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington and that the administration has tried to tie Iraq to terrorism since the war to justify its actions.
"In a few weeks, our country will mark the four-year anniversary of the attacks of September the 11th, 2001. On that day, we learned that vast oceans and friendly neighbors no longer protect us from those who wish to harm our people," Bush said. "And since that day, we have taken the fight to the enemy," he said.
"We're fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, and around the world, striking them in foreign lands before they can attack us here at home," Bush said.
Next week Bush will meet with members of the Idaho National Guard, and also see members of the Mountain Home Air Force Base who played a leading role in the air bombing campaign in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks, Bush said. He will also address the Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention in Utah.
Bush likened the current situation to World War Two when U.S. forces "helped former enemies rebuild and form free and peaceful societies that would become strong allies of America."
He acknowledged the deaths in the current war and said: "We owe these fallen heroes our gratitude, and we offer their families our heartfelt condolences and prayers."
"Now we must finish the task that our troops have given their lives for and honor their sacrifice by completing their mission," he said.
oh and one for the history buffs..
name these quotes
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"
"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
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Iraq has no WMDs.
Probably never did.
Iraq has oil.
Iraq has made billions selling this oil.
Where did all those billions go?
None of the 9/11/01 terrorists hailed from Iraq.
Now US troops are fighting against insurgents.
Where do these insurgents come from?
How many times since 9/11/01 has a terrorist attack occured in the US?
Why is that?
Think for yourself.
Don't rely on someone else.
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*nods* you named it right
and my friend i make a living thinking outside of the box..
9 billion we know was stolen right out from under the eyes of our forces
and more then a few billion went into indulgences such as a 500 million dollar car collection for douche bags son.. and so on and so forth..
not to mention other party mem's
besides your diversionary tactics.. do you have a comment on bush trying to tire the iraqi war to sept 11th? i think it is a ****ing bull**** *** way to take advantage of that horrible situation..
if anything our presence in iraq is the primary reason there are so many "terrorists" for ****s sake its the best damn training ground in the world for terrorists... think of all those new techniques they are developing on a daily basis to survive.. think of how wonderful it will be in about 5 years time when those hardened and battle encrusted **** faces end up moving in next door.
What then?
No way in hell can we kill all of them, and by trying we only create more of them.. its like quicksand in a way.
back to my point
douchebags use of 911 to try and build support for his **** up (that was based on lies) is bull****. Its ****ing dishonest, dishonorable, and most of all DISRESPECTFUL in my eyes.
and my friend i make a living thinking outside of the box..
9 billion we know was stolen right out from under the eyes of our forces
and more then a few billion went into indulgences such as a 500 million dollar car collection for douche bags son.. and so on and so forth..
not to mention other party mem's
besides your diversionary tactics.. do you have a comment on bush trying to tire the iraqi war to sept 11th? i think it is a ****ing bull**** *** way to take advantage of that horrible situation..
if anything our presence in iraq is the primary reason there are so many "terrorists" for ****s sake its the best damn training ground in the world for terrorists... think of all those new techniques they are developing on a daily basis to survive.. think of how wonderful it will be in about 5 years time when those hardened and battle encrusted **** faces end up moving in next door.
What then?
No way in hell can we kill all of them, and by trying we only create more of them.. its like quicksand in a way.
back to my point
douchebags use of 911 to try and build support for his **** up (that was based on lies) is bull****. Its ****ing dishonest, dishonorable, and most of all DISRESPECTFUL in my eyes.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Iraq has no WMDs.
Probably never did.
Probably never did.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Iraq has oil.
Iraq has made billions selling this oil.
Iraq has made billions selling this oil.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Where did all those billions go?
Originally Posted by Oaf
None of the 9/11/01 terrorists hailed from Iraq.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Now US troops are fighting against insurgents.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Where do these insurgents come from?
Originally Posted by Oaf
How many times since 9/11/01 has a terrorist attack occured in the US? Why is that?
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Originally Posted by Imprezastifan88
Do you honestly feel we are safer now than we were before the Iraqi war?
I will say though that I think the Iraq War pissed off a lot of Muslims/Iraqis in the US. I'm not saying they're terrorists, but they ARE already here and if they wanted to attack us they have a better chance to do so. Better than the insurgents of Iraq. I don't think that they will attack us though.
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Originally Posted by Imprezastifan88
Do you honestly feel we are safer now than we were before the Iraqi war?
Personally, I always feel safe.
But as a whole, I'd like to say yes.
The only proof I have is that there hasn't been another attack on US soil since 9/11/01.
Maybe it has something to do with all the terrorists being tied up for the moment in Iraq.
I'd feel a whole lot safer if the border was better protected & we became more discerning on exactly who we let share in the American dream.
Also, let's follow Europe's lead & deport those that come to our country, only to talk **** about her & blame her all the world's woes.
You're either with us, or against us.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Personally, I always feel safe.
But as a whole, I'd like to say yes.
The only proof I have is that there hasn't been another attack on US soil since 9/11/01.
Maybe it has something to do with all the terrorists being tied up for the moment in Iraq.
I'd feel a whole lot safer if the border was better protected & we became more discerning on exactly who we let share in the American dream.
Also, let's follow Europe's lead & deport those that come to our country, only to talk **** about her & blame her all the world's woes.
You're either with us, or against us.
But as a whole, I'd like to say yes.
The only proof I have is that there hasn't been another attack on US soil since 9/11/01.
Maybe it has something to do with all the terrorists being tied up for the moment in Iraq.
I'd feel a whole lot safer if the border was better protected & we became more discerning on exactly who we let share in the American dream.
Also, let's follow Europe's lead & deport those that come to our country, only to talk **** about her & blame her all the world's woes.
You're either with us, or against us.
tell me this dre, why do you think we havent been attacked since 9/11? is it that they like us now?
edgar,
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Originally Posted by Imprezastifan88
Do you honestly feel we are safer now than we were before the Iraqi war?
Our occupation in Iraq is for a long term cause. If their government becomes stronger then we've influenced the entire region. It doesn't have to be a democracy like we know it. We already know that Sharia law will be part of the system. Regardless, if they manage to work-out everything to where they're even slightly more liberal than Iran then that's huge.
Right now, their constitution is the real bread and butter for things to unfold the intended way. Although I’m sure the Sunnis are kicking themselves in the *** for not participating the election they thought would flop, I hope they can at least agree to the terms. Even if it means the Shiites and Kurds have to settle on some issues.
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Originally Posted by zumnwrx
agree 100%
tell me this dre, why do you think we havent been attacked since 9/11? is it that they like us now?
tell me this dre, why do you think we havent been attacked since 9/11? is it that they like us now?
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Originally Posted by dub2w
the only problem in that equation is that Iraq didnt attack us and never would have had the capacity to do so. there have been no substantial links established between Saddam and Al-Queda or WMDs
Like a record, baby, right round.
Again, where did all those billions of dinars go that Saddam made off of the UN's oil for food charade?
Could some of it been used for commercial flight instruction?
Nah, that could never happen.
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That's really all we have to go by anymore. And the speculation comes from both sides equally. Once we get some form of documented "proof" we jump on it like rabid dogs. "See! I told you! Here's proof!" Question: If you took all the reports, articles and studies from 1980 Iraq to today and built a bridge out them, would you be willing to drive across it? There's no ****ing way any sane person would.
Even though I have pictures from Iraqi "camps" on the border from some of my blackwater/SOF friends, there's really no way to say for sure if they’re terrorist camps. Doesn’t matter if the camps weren’t on the grid maps, and murals of Muslims burning the Israeli & American flag were painted on slabs of concrete across the way from the 3 story cargo nets. If terrorists can move around like ghosts on our own turf then there's no way anyone can accurately put a finger on terrorism in another country. You know what I mean? When I look at the 9/11 commission report I often wonder how they could have been so thorough in the research when these very same people have no idea when the next domestic attack will be. If you have zero perception on what's to come, then how in the hell do you know you didn't miss anything in the past?
I try not to let these reports and findings get to me. We even buried the hatchet with the WMDs even though we knew Saddam was trying to at least manufacture them at one point. We do this as a way to move on. As if there’s an invisible deadline because the American people are just to inpatient and quick to point the finger. There's really no possible way to know for sure unless we unearth all of Iraq or were an actual terrorist training in Iraq with direct ties with Saddam. Think about it.
Even though I have pictures from Iraqi "camps" on the border from some of my blackwater/SOF friends, there's really no way to say for sure if they’re terrorist camps. Doesn’t matter if the camps weren’t on the grid maps, and murals of Muslims burning the Israeli & American flag were painted on slabs of concrete across the way from the 3 story cargo nets. If terrorists can move around like ghosts on our own turf then there's no way anyone can accurately put a finger on terrorism in another country. You know what I mean? When I look at the 9/11 commission report I often wonder how they could have been so thorough in the research when these very same people have no idea when the next domestic attack will be. If you have zero perception on what's to come, then how in the hell do you know you didn't miss anything in the past?
I try not to let these reports and findings get to me. We even buried the hatchet with the WMDs even though we knew Saddam was trying to at least manufacture them at one point. We do this as a way to move on. As if there’s an invisible deadline because the American people are just to inpatient and quick to point the finger. There's really no possible way to know for sure unless we unearth all of Iraq or were an actual terrorist training in Iraq with direct ties with Saddam. Think about it.
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