What republicans have to believe
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What republicans have to believe
Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and co mbat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.
Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense.
A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our prayers for your recovery.
You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and co mbat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.
Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense.
A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our prayers for your recovery.
You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.
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Straw man arguments RAWK!
Hmmm... well no, straw man arguements suck, but since this isn't a straw man arguement, your point is just kind of stupid. It's really an informal comparison of the right's stated beliefs versus the reality of their actions. If either the beliefs or the actions where made up or false you might have a point in calling it a strawman arguement, although given that it's not a formal arguement of any kind, that's still a pretty weak analysis. Come back when you can actually refute something instead of just yell.
Hmmm... well no, straw man arguements suck, but since this isn't a straw man arguement, your point is just kind of stupid. It's really an informal comparison of the right's stated beliefs versus the reality of their actions. If either the beliefs or the actions where made up or false you might have a point in calling it a strawman arguement, although given that it's not a formal arguement of any kind, that's still a pretty weak analysis. Come back when you can actually refute something instead of just yell.
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It's most definitely a straw man in that he is presenting distorted versions of republican positions. Some of them are not just distortions but outright fabrications. I'm not going to refute them point by point as I am not a republican and have already spent too much time on this thread.
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When did a GOP official say Jesus doesn't like Hillary? Fabrication
When did Creationism become part of the GOP platform? Fabrication or at best Hasty Generalization
When did Creationism become part of the GOP platform? Fabrication or at best Hasty Generalization
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A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense.
A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
And it has not been demonstrated that Bush lied to enlist support for the war. I think it has been demonstrated that some of the things he said were incorrect, but that is not identical to lying.
So chalk up two more distortions.
Last edited by FUNKED1; Jul 13, 2004 at 06:05 PM.
hmm...all seems to check out. Very funny.
Funked, although the whole anti-republican spin on this is kinda overdone, it still makes alot of good, funny points. Don't try and say that the reason everyone was outraged at Clinton was because he lied - it was that he had "sexual relations" outside of marriage, and that got our collective puritanical goat. However, G.dub was a druggie, drunk driver, AWOL rich kid who accepted jesus christ into his life, and then everything was A-ok. Thats odd, don't you think? Remember the huge fuss over clinton forays into the world of weed? Why no expose on G. Dub? Strikes me as odd. But hey, they don't pay me to know about the world around me.
Funked, although the whole anti-republican spin on this is kinda overdone, it still makes alot of good, funny points. Don't try and say that the reason everyone was outraged at Clinton was because he lied - it was that he had "sexual relations" outside of marriage, and that got our collective puritanical goat. However, G.dub was a druggie, drunk driver, AWOL rich kid who accepted jesus christ into his life, and then everything was A-ok. Thats odd, don't you think? Remember the huge fuss over clinton forays into the world of weed? Why no expose on G. Dub? Strikes me as odd. But hey, they don't pay me to know about the world around me.
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Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.
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Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
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To sum it up, the phrase "What Republicans have to believe" implies that all Republicans must believe all of the items on the list. Keep that in mind when evaluating the truth of Psoper's statements. If we find one or more counterexamples to that phrase, then the assertion that Republicans must believe all of those statements is false. Clearly I've found at least one counterexample, so game over, QED.
Constellation makes the point that the list is funny and some parts of it are true. I will concede that, but when you use lists like this it will only work if you are "preaching to the choir". Because as long as parts of it are false, it's not going to convince a critically-minded person that your argument is valid. In fact it may convince a thinking man that you are a misinformed fanatic, and thus do a disservice to your cause. That's why it bugs me, even thought I am not a Republican or a Neoconservative or a Bush-lover, and that's why I made the initial post. There is plenty to criticize about the GOP without resorting to a straw man argument.
Constellation makes the point that the list is funny and some parts of it are true. I will concede that, but when you use lists like this it will only work if you are "preaching to the choir". Because as long as parts of it are false, it's not going to convince a critically-minded person that your argument is valid. In fact it may convince a thinking man that you are a misinformed fanatic, and thus do a disservice to your cause. That's why it bugs me, even thought I am not a Republican or a Neoconservative or a Bush-lover, and that's why I made the initial post. There is plenty to criticize about the GOP without resorting to a straw man argument.
Last edited by FUNKED1; Jul 13, 2004 at 06:26 PM.
Originally Posted by FUNKED1
A real Neoconservative position would be something like, "Saddam was a bad guy all along, but enlisting his support (as well as Bin Laden's) was a calculated risk taken to fight the far greater evil of Global Communism."
do you even know what neocons are?
Just curious