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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
I dunno. I know most kids would think twice about trying to mug me or something if they could clearly see I was packing.

Actually, what's the big deal with CCW? Everyone wants one.

I'd be totally happy to carry open. People would definitely think twice.
Either they think twice, or they come up with a plan to steal your gun.

The element of surprise and the thought of "what if" is a better deterrent than open carrying.
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 12:39 AM
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Either they think twice, or they come up with a plan to steal your gun.

The element of surprise and the thought of "what if" is a better deterrent than open carrying.
Yet another good reason for Concealed Carry..
Wise man once said. The first indication that the crook should know that you have a gun is the muzzle flash.
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 12:47 AM
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i would love to open carry. people would def think twice about trying to come jack your wallette or cell phone if they saw you packin a gun all detective style.
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27
Wait a minute.. Your logic is hurting me..
So making it illegal, did nothing to stop crooks from commiting crime, thus the law fails, and removes rights from citizens unnecissarily .That alone should be reason to overturn the law (not even considering the constitutionality of the law itself)

What I am saying is that ME, PERSONALLY would not feel safe in the slightest if I knew every person I came into contact with had a gun.

Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:55 AM
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if they know its unloaded, doubtful but possible, it would be another reason to mug you since could want your gun. they could surprise you so you wouldn't have time to load your gun and then you would be screwed.
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
What I am saying is that ME, PERSONALLY would not feel safe in the slightest if I knew every person I came into contact with had a gun.

Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
Opinions like your's intrigue me.
Have you ever experienced criminal firearm violence in your daily life?
How many vehicle collisions have you been in?

I ask, because every assumes firearms to be dangerous, that more guns in the hands of average people is a horrible idea, yet say nothing of tens of thousands of people that killed every year with motor vehicles.
Old Aug 28, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Opinions like your's intrigue me.
Have you ever experienced criminal firearm violence in your daily life?
How many vehicle collisions have you been in?

I ask, because every assumes firearms to be dangerous, that more guns in the hands of average people is a horrible idea, yet say nothing of tens of thousands of people that killed every year with motor vehicles.
I have never been involved, and pray that I am never involved in firearm violence in my life.

I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.

I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.

Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.

And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
I have never been involved, and pray that I am never involved in firearm violence in my life.

I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.

I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.

Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.

And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
The training and background investigation for a CCW permit is quite different than the Mickey Mouse DMV driving test.
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if they know its unloaded, doubtful but possible, it would be another reason to mug you since could want your gun. they could surprise you so you wouldn't have time to load your gun and then you would be screwed.
Arguably the Unloaded requirement was some Craptastic Politicians way of getting around an Unconstitutional law..(Probably barring the carry of arms would have been called unconstitutional, but they could say you couldn't carry a loaded gun and basically they have the same effect) how old is the original law?
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
This has alot to do with the fact that administrators (school, gov etc.) would rather "not believe in guns" than educate kids on safe handling and storage. As a result alot of kids now days have been neglected in this regard... To many folks last generation grew up in with a Nanny state mentality, and didn't learn about guns.. Their kids will only see em on TV, so of course they misuse them, accidentally shoot each other or themselves..
Then when it happened people blame the gun.. Not the lack of education..

I can guess your kids (if/when you have em) will be 10X more likely to have an accident with a gun than Bruce Lee's or Paul's kids.

Why?? Because Paul and Bruce Lee will teach their kids about firearm safety..
Whereas your attempts to insulate your offspring from reality, raises their risk of accident.
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What about bars and clubs. Are you allowed to open carry at places where alcohol is served?
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27
Wait a minute.. Your logic is hurting me..
So making it illegal, did nothing to stop crooks from commiting crime, thus the law fails, and removes rights from citizens unnecissarily .That alone should be reason to overturn the law (not even considering the constitutionality of the law itself)

When in America did the default position become to disallow rights because some criminal douche might use said rights against others.. (oh right... New deal)



Two reasons for a CCW.
1. Concealed gives you an edge.. you show your cards in poker right? Also prevents you having a target on your back. First target in a bank robbery is the guard..

2. So you don't have to deal with the police every time some sheep loses his mind and calls the cops because someone is *GASP* carrying an Eeeeevvvill Gun.

A side bonus, is that as towns get more and more CCW's the folks that wouldn't mug you becuase you are obviously armed will think twice if you Might be armed..
Crime will also be decreased through attrition of criminals..
well said, +1
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
What I am saying is that ME, PERSONALLY would not feel safe in the slightest if I knew every person I came into contact with had a gun.

Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
lol bad company corrupts good character... who you hanging out with?
Old Feb 9, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
I have never been involved, and pray that I am never involved in firearm violence in my life.

I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.

I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.

Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.

And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
Where are you getting your data about the average person?
Or, if you yourself are judging them by your own accord, by what authority are you doing so?
Old Feb 9, 2010 | 12:52 AM
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we should have an open carry i-club meet.
Old Feb 9, 2010 | 02:11 AM
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I am super down for that.



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