Wait, there is such a thing as open carry?
The element of surprise and the thought of "what if" is a better deterrent than open carrying.
Wise man once said. The first indication that the crook should know that you have a gun is the muzzle flash.
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i would love to open carry. people would def think twice about trying to come jack your wallette or cell phone if they saw you packin a gun all detective style.
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Wait a minute..
Your logic is hurting me..
So making it illegal, did nothing to stop crooks from commiting crime, thus the law fails, and removes rights from citizens unnecissarily .That alone should be reason to overturn the law (not even considering the constitutionality of the law itself)

Your logic is hurting me..So making it illegal, did nothing to stop crooks from commiting crime, thus the law fails, and removes rights from citizens unnecissarily .That alone should be reason to overturn the law (not even considering the constitutionality of the law itself)
What I am saying is that ME, PERSONALLY would not feel safe in the slightest if I knew every person I came into contact with had a gun.
Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
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if they know its unloaded, doubtful but possible, it would be another reason to mug you since could want your gun. they could surprise you so you wouldn't have time to load your gun and then you would be screwed.
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What I am saying is that ME, PERSONALLY would not feel safe in the slightest if I knew every person I came into contact with had a gun.
Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
Have you ever experienced criminal firearm violence in your daily life?
How many vehicle collisions have you been in?
I ask, because every assumes firearms to be dangerous, that more guns in the hands of average people is a horrible idea, yet say nothing of tens of thousands of people that killed every year with motor vehicles.
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Opinions like your's intrigue me.
Have you ever experienced criminal firearm violence in your daily life?
How many vehicle collisions have you been in?
I ask, because every assumes firearms to be dangerous, that more guns in the hands of average people is a horrible idea, yet say nothing of tens of thousands of people that killed every year with motor vehicles.
Have you ever experienced criminal firearm violence in your daily life?
How many vehicle collisions have you been in?
I ask, because every assumes firearms to be dangerous, that more guns in the hands of average people is a horrible idea, yet say nothing of tens of thousands of people that killed every year with motor vehicles.
I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.
I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
I have never been involved, and pray that I am never involved in firearm violence in my life.
I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.
I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.
I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
Then when it happened people blame the gun.. Not the lack of education..
I can guess your kids (if/when you have em) will be 10X more likely to have an accident with a gun than Bruce Lee's or Paul's kids.
Why?? Because Paul and Bruce Lee will teach their kids about firearm safety..
Whereas your attempts to insulate your offspring from reality, raises their risk of accident.
Wait a minute..
Your logic is hurting me..
So making it illegal, did nothing to stop crooks from commiting crime, thus the law fails, and removes rights from citizens unnecissarily .That alone should be reason to overturn the law (not even considering the constitutionality of the law itself)
When in America did the default position become to disallow rights because some criminal douche might use said rights against others.. (oh right... New deal)
Two reasons for a CCW.
1. Concealed gives you an edge.. you show your cards in poker right? Also prevents you having a target on your back. First target in a bank robbery is the guard..
2. So you don't have to deal with the police every time some sheep loses his mind and calls the cops because someone is *GASP* carrying an Eeeeevvvill Gun.
A side bonus, is that as towns get more and more CCW's the folks that wouldn't mug you becuase you are obviously armed will think twice if you Might be armed..
Crime will also be decreased through attrition of criminals..

Your logic is hurting me..So making it illegal, did nothing to stop crooks from commiting crime, thus the law fails, and removes rights from citizens unnecissarily .That alone should be reason to overturn the law (not even considering the constitutionality of the law itself)

When in America did the default position become to disallow rights because some criminal douche might use said rights against others.. (oh right... New deal)

Two reasons for a CCW.
1. Concealed gives you an edge.. you show your cards in poker right? Also prevents you having a target on your back. First target in a bank robbery is the guard..
2. So you don't have to deal with the police every time some sheep loses his mind and calls the cops because someone is *GASP* carrying an Eeeeevvvill Gun.

A side bonus, is that as towns get more and more CCW's the folks that wouldn't mug you becuase you are obviously armed will think twice if you Might be armed..
Crime will also be decreased through attrition of criminals..
What I am saying is that ME, PERSONALLY would not feel safe in the slightest if I knew every person I came into contact with had a gun.
Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
Most of the people I meet on a daily basis don't have the IQ of a household fern - and I can't imagine them being able to wisely use a firearm.
I have never been involved, and pray that I am never involved in firearm violence in my life.
I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.
I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
I have been in (as either driver or passenger) involved in 10 car accidents - only 1 seriously.
I do not consider the firearm itself to be dangerous - with the proper safety used there is no logical reason to think that there should be accidents involving firearms.
Here is the problem however; the average person is NOT safe, is NOT prepared and NOT knowledgeable about the firearm - the average person uses it as an intimidation factor and/or instrument of aggression. That being said, most of them do not have their handgun license or firearms safety training and thus, are more apt to have accidents when there should be none involving a deadly weapon.
And I don't mean to say that the average person I meet on a daily basis should be allowed to drive either - most of them quite frankly should not be allowed on the road. As far as weapons go? I wouldn't trust a majority of them with a butter knife and string.
Or, if you yourself are judging them by your own accord, by what authority are you doing so?


