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what is there to win in this war? this war is over before it began. we went in there for the reason of WMD and there aren't any. the guy who we were scared of is dead, why are we still there.
there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.
there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.
exactly i agree completely... try telling that to McCain !
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You're correct; both candidates gave a lack lustre performance.
My contention is that better/harder questions, the candidates true beliefs, conveictions, and abilities would have sufaced.
My contention is that better/harder questions, the candidates true beliefs, conveictions, and abilities would have sufaced.
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+1 we agree there Mr.Paul. I really don't think this is going to affect the outcome of the election....
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what is there to win in this war? this war is over before it began. we went in there for the reason of WMD and there aren't any. the guy who we were scared of is dead, why are we still there.
there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.
there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.
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Meh...FWIW
Joe Biden's 14 Lies
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
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They already said that, and have asked us to leave within a few years, but the white house wants to say until like 2014/2015
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And here is where we basically lied about it, and are wanting to stay longer to be sure we can come out as "winners" cause right now, we are for sure HUGE losers, and did this for the wrong reasons, were lied to, and for some reason still believe that we are there for some righteous reason...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_121708.html
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.... but yes, for what it's worth the McCain types at least have some kind of counter argument that wasn't very existent last night.
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They both had mistakes if you look at www.factcheck.org with Palin having I think one more than Biden. Take it for what it's worth but at least factcheck.org is a little more unbiased than the www.johnmccain.com 
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They both had mistakes if you look at www.factcheck.org with Palin having I think one more than Biden. Take it for what it's worth but at least factcheck.org is a little more unbiased than the www.johnmccain.com
a) do it from an unbiased source
b) do it for both sides.
or do republicans not lie?
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There is one pet peeve that I have - I really wish people would take the extra 5 seconds and learn how to pronounce the word "NUCLEAR".
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"
"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"
"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction
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There is one pet peeve that I have - I really wish people would take the extra 5 seconds and learn how to pronounce the word "NUCLEAR".
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"
"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"
"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction
