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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:23 AM
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What minorities want segregation? Embracing a cultural identity is different than codified segregation.
Is AFFIRMATIVE ACTION not a form of segregation and special treatment?? ive never heard a minority complain when they get handed $40,000 free to go to school while the white guy next to him is paying out of pocket... think about it a second. Minorities are against "any type" of segregation unless it has monetary gain for them.
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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Let's face it, ghettos produce very few winners and a whole lot of loser rejects. What would you do? Would you pretend everything is hunky-dory by sending your kid to a school that could expose him to the wrong crowd later in life? Or would you try to set-up a district boundary to better your kid’s chances of meeting positive influences?


It all goes back to the fact that seperate is not equall.

I'm pretty sure, like you guys, that this segregation is not on purpose. However, it doesn't really matter if it's on purpose or not because it violates the ideology behind the supreme courts decision that seperate facilities cannot possibly be equall.
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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Furley, you drag red herrings across every argument. Not trying to be smarmy but your reasoning is fallacious at best.

My post had nothing to with affirmative action.

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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 11:02 AM
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I don't see that as funny, and in this case the white people are segregating and the minorities don't want it...so I don't see how this comment does anything but make you look like a right wing nut with a flame thrower.
Omaha Senator Ernie Chambers is Black!
He supports the segragation:


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He said the black students he represents in north Omaha would receive a better education if they had more control over their district.
So, are you calling him a "right wing nut with a flame thrower"?
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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I think he's mislead and wrong. And since I don't know anything about him, he could very well be a right wing nut job.
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
Furley, you drag red herrings across every argument. Not trying to be smarmy but your reasoning is fallacious at best.

My post had nothing to with affirmative action.
I realize that you werent talking about affirmative action but is that not a form of segregation/special treatment? They are giving preference to one race and denying opportunity to others even though that person may be a better candidate
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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Well, there's always home schooling or private school if they try to bring down my kids' schools to a new low.
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
It all goes back to the fact that seperate is not equall.
I don't understand how it's separate. Can you explain? Again, it's not like there's segregation going on inside each neighborhood. The minorities that live within the white majority neighborhood are obviously being considered. There's no way they could get away with segregating these neighborhoods based on the fact one area has a majority of blacks or browns. Do some of these people have ulterior motives in the back of their minds? Sure, but the main reasoning has to be rooted in the fact these other areas are complete **** holes and parents are concerned. I'd do the exact same thing if i were them. The only thing bad is the slant in the article as far as i’m concerned.
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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Well, the way I see it, when the supreme court made their ruling about segregation in schools in the first place the neighborhoods were segregated de facto just like they are today. The living conditions were poorer in areas where african amercians were living because of lower income just like now...so why is that all the sudden a reason that segregation is ok? I mean...the conditions that are being complained about are the exact reasons busing and redistricting of schools was done in the first place, but now people are using it as a reason to draw school lines along race lines. To me it's clearly a case of people forgetting what the problem was in the first place and forgetting that we already solved this problem...and then reverted.
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Well, the way I see it, when the supreme court made their ruling about segregation in schools in the first place the neighborhoods were segregated de facto just like they are today. The living conditions were poorer in areas where african amercians were living because of lower income just like now...so why is that all the sudden a reason that segregation is ok? I mean...the conditions that are being complained about are the exact reasons busing and redistricting of schools was done in the first place, but now people are using it as a reason to draw school lines along race lines. To me it's clearly a case of people forgetting what the problem was in the first place and forgetting that we already solved this problem...and then reverted.
I don't understand how one can call them race lines when they could just as easy call them "poverty" or "bad neighborhood" lines? This is my point. 9 times out of 10 bad neighborhoods have a larger percentage of minorities anyways. Parents shouldn't have to feel guilty for wanting segregation from a bad neighborhoods based of this fact. If it were truly a racial segregation issue then the minority races that undoubtedly exist in the predominately white neighborhood would be bused to these other districts. The only half-assed argument I can see being made would be "racist by association."
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Hey Salty , what freeport projects? Streets?

You can bet your *** my kids wont go to the same ****ed up schools I did. Going from a school where the parents and kids are involved to one that just exists as a baby sitter is the reason for this type of "equality" thinking that your calling segregation is even thought of.

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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 10:18 PM
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I should have been more specific... it was at my grandparent's old house directly across the street in an equally ****ty place. Cannot remember the name of the street so i'll have to ask my mother. We moved to another crappy neighborhood in South Sac near parkway.

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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Salty
I don't understand how one can call them race lines when they could just as easy call them "poverty" or "bad neighborhood" lines? This is my point. 9 times out of 10 bad neighborhoods have a larger percentage of minorities anyways. Parents shouldn't have to feel guilty for wanting segregation from a bad neighborhoods based of this fact. If it were truly a racial segregation issue then the minority races that undoubtedly exist in the predominately white neighborhood would be bused to these other districts. The only half-assed argument I can see being made would be "racist by association."

I agree that I shouldn't have said 'race lines' and should have made it clear that I know now adays it's about poverty lines. My argument is still salient; poverty is certainly no reason to deny a child a proper education. So in this instance, those in power in the area should do all they can to ensure that those without money get as good an education as those with money (in public schools). Parents, in fact, SHOULD feel bad if they desire that their children only go to school with other children in the same tax bracket. If you think that, because you have had monitary success, that your children are better than others whos parents have not had monitary success, then f*** you. That's not how our public school system is supposed to work at all.
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Originally Posted by Salty
I should have been more specific... it was at my grandparent's old house directly across the street in an equally ****ty place. Cannot remember the name of the street so i'll have to ask my mother. We moved to another crappy neighborhood in South Sac near parkway.
Oak Park?

There's an example of a nice school in a bad neighborhood. (Christian Brothers)
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It's a private catholic high school.



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