Police getting crazy at UCLA
11-16-2006, 10:53 PM
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would have been nice to actually know why they were there, and I'm sure it was a perfectly legit reason. I am in no way conservative, but I think that was your typical college student going "oh, I'm going to take a highly debated topic such as the patriot act and human rights and just yell about it while the police taze me as I dont do what they say and they warn me I'll be tazed.....that'll show everyone how corrupt they are"
oh, and the bystanders going "we want your information officers! we want your information!" give me a break, you're screaming it like they don't willingly give it and like their name isnt right on their chest
oh, and the bystanders going "we want your information officers! we want your information!" give me a break, you're screaming it like they don't willingly give it and like their name isnt right on their chest
11-16-2006, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
They didn't have a problem carrying him out without him standing in the end. Plus, did you read the article? He was asked to leave, and was leaving. Then the cop grabed him, and he said let go. Then they shocked him. Completely unnecesary...yeah, he should have stood up. But the cops initiated the issue since he was already leaving (doing as he was asked/told) when they put hands on him.
His remarks about the patriot act and all that were out of place for sure...but I have no idea how I'd react if I got tazered for doing what I was told, so I can't really blame the guy.
His remarks about the patriot act and all that were out of place for sure...but I have no idea how I'd react if I got tazered for doing what I was told, so I can't really blame the guy.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
...good for you...
I'm just curious about something you said though...you're against all forms of civil disobedience? Anti Ghandi? Anti KingJr? Or do you just think that in this case his rights weren't pressing enough to use it...
I'm just curious about something you said though...you're against all forms of civil disobedience? Anti Ghandi? Anti KingJr? Or do you just think that in this case his rights weren't pressing enough to use it...
Originally Posted by spedmunki
i like how when the students asked for badge numbers(which police have to give if asked for) they were threatened with the tazer....that is a f*cking abuse of power, although it doesn't have sh*t to do with the patriot act.
Originally Posted by jvick125
I thought tazers were to be used when trying to stop someone from escaping. I think the tazer was abused in this video just as much as it was abused when the lady got pulled over in her SUV and wouldn't get off her cell phone...
Did you guys notice that he got tazared while he was trying to stand at one point?
Did you guys notice that he got tazared while he was trying to stand at one point?
Originally Posted by MVWRX
and what's funny is that he was using a UCLA computer so he must have logged in with his UCLA Student ID #. So they whole issue of him 'not having an ID card' is just silly considering he was doing something where he had already proven that he was a student by logging in...tasered over a beurocratic technicality.
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11-16-2006, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lethalpsi
Obviously the kid is in panic upon being put in cuffs; Isn't it a possibility he has not been arrested before and is only reacting the only way he can? If I were in his position; Thinking I were innocent; I would have held my ground, and instructed the police to remove my lawyers card from my pocket and contact him immediately.
"While they may not be considered technically 'lethal', many question both the degree of safety presented by the weapon and the ethical implications of using a weapon that many judge to be inhumane. As a result, a number of civil liberties groups would like to see tasers banned. Amnesty International have documented over 150 deaths following the use of tasers. The US National Institute of Justice has begun a two year study into taser-related deaths in custody."
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazer
This occurance was truly negligence via campus security's contact to local police; and primary contact between security and student.
This is a real, slippery slope.
"While they may not be considered technically 'lethal', many question both the degree of safety presented by the weapon and the ethical implications of using a weapon that many judge to be inhumane. As a result, a number of civil liberties groups would like to see tasers banned. Amnesty International have documented over 150 deaths following the use of tasers. The US National Institute of Justice has begun a two year study into taser-related deaths in custody."
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazer
This occurance was truly negligence via campus security's contact to local police; and primary contact between security and student.
This is a real, slippery slope.
As for taser limits, it was used on a low amperage setting. All of the other quotes they used in the bruin article failed to say what level of amperage the said dangers lie at. Thats one thing that pisses me off and shows the obvious bias in the article, I thought UCLA was a smart person school
Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
Someone called the police to come remove this kid. The police showed up to escort him off campus or out of that building. I'm willing to bet that this kid has pulled this before and that the cops knew what to expect. Maybe, maybe not. In any case, he was waiting to have his 15 minutes of fame in front of his audience of students who were all ready to eat it up. The cops seemed like they just wanted to get in and get out, simple case of trespassing. There was the use of contact control to to escort the kid out, but he immediately used that as an excuse to go into theatrical overdrive. The the tazers came out. Kid ended up walking out under his own power. End of story.
As for the students demanding badge numbers during all this. If it was me, I don't know if I would have had the self control those cops did. The first guy that got up in my face demanding my badge number, while I'm dealing with the trespassing kid, would get knocked the f out. Then of course I'd probably lose my job.
When the cops showed up to escort the kid out, he should have just complied with them. I'm guessing he's got mental issues or he just really hates authority figures.
As for the students demanding badge numbers during all this. If it was me, I don't know if I would have had the self control those cops did. The first guy that got up in my face demanding my badge number, while I'm dealing with the trespassing kid, would get knocked the f out. Then of course I'd probably lose my job.
When the cops showed up to escort the kid out, he should have just complied with them. I'm guessing he's got mental issues or he just really hates authority figures.
ok, I wont post anymore until someone else does, just had to get all of my thoughts out first
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11-16-2006, 11:38 PM
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basile seriously, the article says he was on his way out when cops grabbed him to escort him. he then says get the f*** off me because the cops didnt have no right to grab him in such a way when he was already on his way out. on top of the when he was down he was already cuffed so there is no danger to the officers or the public so the tazer shouldnt have been used at all. to top it all off the should have just gave out their badge number and name. it wouldnt have hurt now would it? and they should have just carried him out at the beginning while he was in cuffs alreayd alot easier then havin him scream because of being shock. my side is they had no right to do what they did and that they should have thought about the pain it would send to his nerves when they shocked him. his legs were probably toasted and immobalized alreayd since he fell down right away.
11-16-2006, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by xhengmanx
basile seriously, the article says he was on his way out when cops grabbed him to escort him. he then says get the f*** off me because the cops didnt have no right to grab him in such a way when he was already on his way out. on top of the when he was down he was already cuffed so there is no danger to the officers or the public so the tazer shouldnt have been used at all. to top it all off the should have just gave out their badge number and name. it wouldnt have hurt now would it? and they should have just carried him out at the beginning while he was in cuffs alreayd alot easier then havin him scream because of being shock. my side is they had no right to do what they did and that they should have thought about the pain it would send to his nerves when they shocked him. his legs were probably toasted and immobalized alreayd since he fell down right away.
11-16-2006, 11:46 PM
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haha yea but no means of disagreein or startin an argument but some cops have bene abusin their powers. but we'll see in the end what will happen. 50$ dollars says they will get fired for misuse of authority
11-16-2006, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by xhengmanx
haha yea but no means of disagreein or startin an argument but some cops have bene abusin their powers. but we'll see in the end what will happen. 50$ dollars says they will get fired for misuse of authority
I doubt they will be fired. Its hard to argue against what they did without being a cop and being in that situation.
11-16-2006, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by xhengmanx
haha yea but no means of disagreein or startin an argument but some cops have bene abusin their powers. but we'll see in the end what will happen. 50$ dollars says they will get fired for misuse of authority
11-17-2006, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by lethalpsi
Oh, yeah? 
yes, its something that was said in the biased article, but it was confirmed in the video
11-17-2006, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Magish
Salty, I seriously respect your opinion on this board. We may not agree on everything, but your opinions are always well reasoned and I can always see where you are coming from.
But please, please stop using words such as "pinko". It really dumbs down the discussion. I am not saying anything personally about you, but by bringing such slang into the conversation all you are doing is opening the debate up to mindless banter about what is worse; hXc c0nz3rvat1v3z 'r hXz l1brlz. I realize other people are guilty of the same on both sides on this board, but it just stood out in your post. That is all.
And the guy probably didn't deserve that much, but he definately was being beligerant towards the police officers. Maybe the tazer just pissed him off more. It would be interesting to know what brought about the altercation in the first place.
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But please, please stop using words such as "pinko". It really dumbs down the discussion. I am not saying anything personally about you, but by bringing such slang into the conversation all you are doing is opening the debate up to mindless banter about what is worse; hXc c0nz3rvat1v3z 'r hXz l1brlz. I realize other people are guilty of the same on both sides on this board, but it just stood out in your post. That is all
.And the guy probably didn't deserve that much, but he definately was being beligerant towards the police officers. Maybe the tazer just pissed him off more. It would be interesting to know what brought about the altercation in the first place.
Cheers
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pinko
Ok, ok... i'll stop.
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11-17-2006, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MBasile
was he moaning in pain or yelling like a little ***** after it stopped?
yes, its something that was said in the biased article, but it was confirmed in the video
yes, its something that was said in the biased article, but it was confirmed in the video
Maybe, this student with a middle eastern ethnicity was actually being racially targeted by on, and off campus enforcement.
I do not disagree with the fact that the student acted like a fool.
11-17-2006, 02:27 AM
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less amps=less pain, less amount of time contractions/pain are present
more amps=more pan, longer lasting pain/cotractions
its just the nature of what it is.
more amps=more pan, longer lasting pain/cotractions
its just the nature of what it is.
11-17-2006, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MBasile
Its not like UCLA is in the nicest part of town, the security procedures, like the ID check are there to keep the students safe late at night
You've never been there have you...UCLA is right next to Belaire and Westwood. It is literally the nicest part of LA.
Originally Posted by MBasile
please quote where it says he was already logged into a computer. kthnx.
It didn't, but it did say he was working on a computer. Since I'm an alum, and I've spent hours in that particular computer lab, I happen to know that in order to use a computer there you have to log in with a valid BruinID#.
11-17-2006, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MBasile
less amps=less pain, less amount of time contractions/pain are present
more amps=more pan, longer lasting pain/cotractions
its just the nature of what it is.
more amps=more pan, longer lasting pain/cotractions
its just the nature of what it is.
I don't expect an eight hour certification program to make anyone an expert with a tazer.