View Poll Results: Keep the orginal or change it?
Yes, keep the OG pledge..
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09-15-2005, 06:20 AM
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Is it too awfully non-pc to say that (as groups) I really hate Christians (and Catholics), Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Agnostics, Athiests, Bahaii-ists, Raddites, Amish, Satanists.....?
Did I miss any?
Did I miss any?
09-15-2005, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gpatmac
Is it too awfully non-pc to say that (as groups) I really hate Christians (and Catholics), Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Agnostics, Athiests, Bahaii-ists, Raddites, Amish, Satanists.....?
Did I miss any?
Did I miss any?
09-15-2005, 11:02 AM
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I don't care really.
What really upsets me are these types of abominations the left and activists take-up instead of utilizing their time more wisely. If you really want to change it then pass a law already! Oh that's right! Congress has better things to do then worry about the non-sense you spew.
What really upsets me are these types of abominations the left and activists take-up instead of utilizing their time more wisely. If you really want to change it then pass a law already! Oh that's right! Congress has better things to do then worry about the non-sense you spew.
09-15-2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Salty
I don't care really.
What really upsets me are these types of abominations the left and activists take-up instead of utilizing their time more wisely. If you really want to change it then pass a law already! Oh that's right! Congress has better things to do then worry about the non-sense you spew.
What really upsets me are these types of abominations the left and activists take-up instead of utilizing their time more wisely. If you really want to change it then pass a law already! Oh that's right! Congress has better things to do then worry about the non-sense you spew.
09-15-2005, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jvick125
Which one are you, since you included Athiests (non believers) and every other God worshiping religion. I'm curious what your system of beliefs are.
It's just that I don't identify with agnostics......and if there were a group of them together or organized in any sort of matter, I imagine that whatever they did or said would most likely alienate me or polarize me away from them.
Bottom line, if there were a 'group' of folks who only ascribed to being a good citizen and who tried to be as selfless as possible, they would probably be the only group that I could identify with.
My mom calls that being a pollyanna.
09-15-2005, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
I don't care really.
What really upsets me are these types of abominations the left and activists take-up instead of utilizing their time more wisely. If you really want to change it then pass a law already! Oh that's right! Congress has better things to do then worry about the non-sense you spew.
What really upsets me are these types of abominations the left and activists take-up instead of utilizing their time more wisely. If you really want to change it then pass a law already! Oh that's right! Congress has better things to do then worry about the non-sense you spew.
It is unconstitutional to pass a law regarding religion.
Hence the ruling alluded to in this thread.
09-15-2005, 03:30 PM
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i agree we should go back to the orginal pledge..
* 1892 to 1923:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
* 1923 to 1954:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
* 1954 to Present:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
* 1923 to 1954:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
* 1954 to Present:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
09-15-2005, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
I think you're missing the point, buddy.
It is unconstitutional to pass a law regarding religion.
Hence the ruling alluded to in this thread.
It is unconstitutional to pass a law regarding religion.
Hence the ruling alluded to in this thread.
I'm going to have to ask on what basis you declared a practice that dates to the beginning of the republic unconstitutional.
Yes, I realize the pledge was changed in the fifties....but references to God in government, ie, prayers in congress and what not, are as old as the constitution and were practiced by some of the drafters. I could see if the pledge said "one nation, under Jesus alone's divine protection, with scorn for all atheists..."
But since when is just using the word God in an official capacity or ceremony unconstitutional?
09-15-2005, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
I think you're missing the point, buddy.
It is unconstitutional to pass a law regarding religion.
Hence the ruling alluded to in this thread.
It is unconstitutional to pass a law regarding religion.
Hence the ruling alluded to in this thread.
By asserting its judicial reviewing powers over both federal and state laws and acts, the Supreme Court secured for itself the role of chief interpreter and arbiter of the Constitution
09-15-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
...was meant...
I think that their overarching, most genius ideal was that the Constitution was meant to be a living document.
09-15-2005, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by subaruguru
I'm going to have to ask on what basis you declared a practice that dates to the beginning of the republic unconstitutional.
Yes, I realize the pledge was changed in the fifties....but references to God in government, ie, prayers in congress and what not, are as old as the constitution and were practiced by some of the drafters. I could see if the pledge said "one nation, under Jesus alone's divine protection, with scorn for all atheists..."
But since when is just using the word God in an official capacity or ceremony unconstitutional?
Yes, I realize the pledge was changed in the fifties....but references to God in government, ie, prayers in congress and what not, are as old as the constitution and were practiced by some of the drafters. I could see if the pledge said "one nation, under Jesus alone's divine protection, with scorn for all atheists..."
But since when is just using the word God in an official capacity or ceremony unconstitutional?
09-15-2005, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
One major underlying point is that the separation of church and state was meant to keep the state out of the church, not the other way around.
http://fact.trib.com/1st.religion.html