The Patriot Act DOES affect innocent people...
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,312
From: UCIrvine
Car Info: '05 Crystal Grey Metallic WRX Sport Wagon
The Patriot Act DOES affect innocent people...
Who was saying just minding your own business can't get you tagged by the FBI under the PA?
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=1205
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=1205
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 193
From: ...
Car Info: ...
'Bloodthirsty bit-ches and Pious Pimps of Power'
Damn straight.
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/sami.html
'The defense was so confident that it presented only a single witness — a former top CIA operative who testified as an expert on terrorist recruitment methods and who questioned the government's premise that people are motivated to become jihadists by what they read online. '
http://www.bordc.org/
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/
http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?...25&projectId=5
Damn straight.
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/sami.html
'The defense was so confident that it presented only a single witness — a former top CIA operative who testified as an expert on terrorist recruitment methods and who questioned the government's premise that people are motivated to become jihadists by what they read online. '
http://www.bordc.org/
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/
http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?...25&projectId=5
Last edited by lethalpsi; Dec 6, 2006 at 06:17 PM.
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 9,198
From: I gotta have more cow bell!!!!
Car Info: 05 STi
Originally Posted by MVWRX
Who was saying just minding your own business can't get you tagged by the FBI under the PA?
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=1205
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=1205
This guy did nothing wrong and will serve no jail time because of it. He had nothing to hide. Furthermore he won 2 million dollars. The PA caused him to become a "suspect". Does that mean in murder cases the prosection and investigating body should only question someone when they are 100% sure it's them? No questioning of suspects allowed. Of course not, that's rediculous. Had this guy done something wrong he'd have been busted.
If you're not breaking the law or conspiring with terrorists you have nothing to fear by the PA. The police, FBI, CIA can investigate me whenever they feel necessary. Furthermore they can help the government give me 2 million bucks if they want.
VIP Member
iTrader: (14)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,675
From: Wherever Sucks the Most
Car Info: 2003 WRX, 2008 Camry
The FBI began investigating Mayfield after computers said his fingerprints came close to matching a print found on a bag containing explosive detonators connected to the March 11, 2004, bombing.
...
“Out popped 20 potential matches that now need to be viewed individually by the expert,” Spence said of the computer’s work. Mayfield’s was the fourth-best match, but he shot to the top of the list, Spence said.
“What we have here is a Muslim card that was played,” Spence said.
He characterized Mayfield as “a Kansas farm boy who married an Egyptian woman.” Mayfield converted to Islam.
...
“Out popped 20 potential matches that now need to be viewed individually by the expert,” Spence said of the computer’s work. Mayfield’s was the fourth-best match, but he shot to the top of the list, Spence said.
“What we have here is a Muslim card that was played,” Spence said.
He characterized Mayfield as “a Kansas farm boy who married an Egyptian woman.” Mayfield converted to Islam.
What gets me when I read these types of articles is that both sides use the Patriot Act as an excuse for a given series of events. "We have the power to come into your house because the PA says so." On the other hand people are saying, "The PA is a violation of my rights. Down with BushHitler!" Guess what? Intelligence agencies have been doing this since the beginning of time... they learned it from the Romans and beyond. The PA was a very bad idea in that it gave people a reason to publicly confess or complain for **** that would have happened anyways...
VIP Member
iTrader: (14)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,675
From: Wherever Sucks the Most
Car Info: 2003 WRX, 2008 Camry
Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
Does that mean in murder cases the prosection and investigating body should only question someone when they are 100% sure it's them? No questioning of suspects allowed. Of course not, that's rediculous. Had this guy done something wrong he'd have been busted.
If you're not breaking the law or conspiring with terrorists you have nothing to fear by the PA. The police, FBI, CIA can investigate me whenever they feel necessary. Furthermore they can help the government give me 2 million bucks if they want.
If you're not breaking the law or conspiring with terrorists you have nothing to fear by the PA. The police, FBI, CIA can investigate me whenever they feel necessary. Furthermore they can help the government give me 2 million bucks if they want.
And for the record the FBI can tape me taking a dump for half that amount. Seems like the best course of action to get around the PA is to simply lie. We're deeply sorry for the wiretaps, Abdul Fataah Khuzaymah Najm Udeen Umar Mujaahid ... we had reason to believe you were producing counterfeit tickle-me-Elmo dolls...
Last edited by Salty; Dec 7, 2006 at 01:09 PM.
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 9,198
From: I gotta have more cow bell!!!!
Car Info: 05 STi
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
*waves to the feds and others reading this*
VIP Member
iTrader: (14)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,675
From: Wherever Sucks the Most
Car Info: 2003 WRX, 2008 Camry
Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
As I've said in the past, I was investigated after the OK City bombing.
That was 10yrs before the PA.
Should I complain, sue, etc?
That was 10yrs before the PA.
Should I complain, sue, etc?
iClub Silver Vendor
iTrader: (25)
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,494
From: Participating in some Anarchy!
Car Info: 2005 LGT wagon
Originally Posted by Salty
Makes sense. How far apart did you graduate from sandhill? Or was that even the connection?
Apparently, Mc****head was at Ft Benning roughly the same time I was...along w/ 11tybillion other fools.
I asked Mr FBI man if he knew just how many people were there with me.
He said several thousand.
There's more to the story, but I'm installing a GT30Rkit & plus, it's better told in person over a few drinky drinks.
VIP Member
iTrader: (14)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,675
From: Wherever Sucks the Most
Car Info: 2003 WRX, 2008 Camry
Oh yeah, Harmony Church... 
SFC in my company at one point graduated with him. Class picture right next to him. Quite creepy.
Think i've said it here once before but I got questioned because I was Gunner when this guy was my ammo *****: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/745492/posts
So-called genius lunatic in my team totally against technology even though he had a computer science degree and a masters in chemistry by 18yrs old. Seriously. A lot of people in my platoon were scared of him but I made a valiant effort to get him to get along with everyone. I offered him a drink on weekends, to go out to eat, I offered him rides, etc. He refused. Instead he read old early edition classic books in his bare barracks room and went into town on an old Schwinn. With his background he had serious potential to do some damage. Glad they caught him... I bragged for a good year on how I taught him to build a fighting position.
SFC in my company at one point graduated with him. Class picture right next to him. Quite creepy.
Think i've said it here once before but I got questioned because I was Gunner when this guy was my ammo *****: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/745492/posts
So-called genius lunatic in my team totally against technology even though he had a computer science degree and a masters in chemistry by 18yrs old. Seriously. A lot of people in my platoon were scared of him but I made a valiant effort to get him to get along with everyone. I offered him a drink on weekends, to go out to eat, I offered him rides, etc. He refused. Instead he read old early edition classic books in his bare barracks room and went into town on an old Schwinn. With his background he had serious potential to do some damage. Glad they caught him... I bragged for a good year on how I taught him to build a fighting position.
Last edited by Salty; Dec 8, 2006 at 12:59 PM.
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 9,198
From: I gotta have more cow bell!!!!
Car Info: 05 STi
Originally Posted by Salty
Oh yeah, Harmony Church...
SFC in my company at one point graduated with him. Class picture right next to him. Quite creepy.
Think i've said it here once before but I got questioned because I was Gunner when this guy was my ammo *****: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/745492/posts
So-called genius lunatic in my team totally against technology even though he had a computer science degree and a masters in chemistry by 18yrs old. Seriously. A lot of people in my platoon were scared of him but I made a valiant effort to get him to get along with everyone. I offered him a drink on weekends, to go out to eat, I offered him rides, etc. He refused. Instead he read old early edition classic books in his bare barracks room and went into town on an old Schwinn. With his background he had serious potential to do some damage. Glad they caught him... I bragged for a good year on how I taught him to build a fighting position.
SFC in my company at one point graduated with him. Class picture right next to him. Quite creepy.
Think i've said it here once before but I got questioned because I was Gunner when this guy was my ammo *****: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/745492/posts
So-called genius lunatic in my team totally against technology even though he had a computer science degree and a masters in chemistry by 18yrs old. Seriously. A lot of people in my platoon were scared of him but I made a valiant effort to get him to get along with everyone. I offered him a drink on weekends, to go out to eat, I offered him rides, etc. He refused. Instead he read old early edition classic books in his bare barracks room and went into town on an old Schwinn. With his background he had serious potential to do some damage. Glad they caught him... I bragged for a good year on how I taught him to build a fighting position.
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 3,461
From: "It will take time to restore chaos." GWB
Car Info: 72 Vespa with curb feelers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061209/.../terror_arrest
Yeah, another "innocent person" has been arrested
Yeah, another "innocent person" has been arrested