Obama's Deception.
03-13-2009, 04:57 PM
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That's a mighty selective highlighting job you've done there, buddy. Let's also not forget that Wikipedia is editable by any a-hole with a grudge, and isn't necessarily a valid source unless you check what sources it cites.
Now with that out of the way, I suggest you read this: http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/...un_Control.htm
Yes, he leans slightly left of center, but his voting is no more or less indicative of "taking away our guns" than any previous Democrat president.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Now with that out of the way, I suggest you read this: http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/...un_Control.htm
Yes, he leans slightly left of center, but his voting is no more or less indicative of "taking away our guns" than any previous Democrat president.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
What is the weather like on this planet??
Please explain where you get this from??
In America, the total outlaw of semi-auto firearms and the outlawing of legitimate self defense in your home puts you more than slightly leaning left..
It puts you out in Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong land..
And as a side note..
Keeping Guns out of the inner cities is:
1. Unrealistic--Criminals will get guns.
2. Classist I suppose only rich uptowners and folks that can afford bodyguards have a right to secure in their persons..
3. Racist.. Most of the time these laws affect Minorities disproportionately when compared to whites.
03-13-2009, 05:00 PM
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That's a mighty selective highlighting job you've done there, buddy. Let's also not forget that Wikipedia is editable by any a-hole with a grudge, and isn't necessarily a valid source unless you check what sources it cites.
Now with that out of the way, I suggest you read this: http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/...un_Control.htm
Yes, he leans slightly left of center, but his voting is no more or less indicative of "taking away our guns" than any previous Democrat president.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Now with that out of the way, I suggest you read this: http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/...un_Control.htm
Yes, he leans slightly left of center, but his voting is no more or less indicative of "taking away our guns" than any previous Democrat president.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.
The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Enforcement of the laws we have is what's needed. Not more laws that we can't enforce and make it a burdon on law biding citizens.
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
That is a complete falsehood. Criminals will get their guns no mater what.
I don't have time to follow through with the rest of that page. But you can see where I'm going with this. The sky is not falling and Obama is not histrically speaking, moderate on gun control.
03-13-2009, 05:10 PM
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Chicago has a Handgun ban almost identical to DC's (And the crime rate to go along with that)
People were being charged with illegal handgun possession.. Basically you would be charged when you shot some S***bag defending your family.
The bill was to prevent being charged in an otherwise lawful defense of home/family..
Which is why it's so despicable that he voted against it..
Well said..
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Yup back peddling.. a vocal anti gunner (supposedly can't be president..) he was trying to regain some credibility with at least some gun owners stupid enough to vote for him.. If not for sights like on the issues no-one would know exactly and he could paint himself as moderate..
Yup.
People were being charged with illegal handgun possession.. Basically you would be charged when you shot some S***bag defending your family.
The bill was to prevent being charged in an otherwise lawful defense of home/family..
Which is why it's so despicable that he voted against it..
You can't control criminal gun activity with more laws. That's not common sense. People who do things illegally aren't going to stop because you just made more of the things they do illegal.
Enforcement of the laws we have is what's needed. Not more laws that we can't enforce and make it a burdon on law biding citizens.
Enforcement of the laws we have is what's needed. Not more laws that we can't enforce and make it a burdon on law biding citizens.
Looks more like he was backpedaling more than an honest mistake.
The only conclusion I can come to is that local gun bans are legitimate because he believes it will keep guns off the "streets".
That is a complete falsehood. Criminals will get their guns no mater what
The only conclusion I can come to is that local gun bans are legitimate because he believes it will keep guns off the "streets".
That is a complete falsehood. Criminals will get their guns no mater what
Yup back peddling.. a vocal anti gunner (supposedly can't be president..) he was trying to regain some credibility with at least some gun owners stupid enough to vote for him.. If not for sights like on the issues no-one would know exactly and he could paint himself as moderate..
I don't have time to follow through with the rest of that page. But you can see where I'm going with this. The sky is not falling and Obama is not historically speaking, moderate on gun control.
03-13-2009, 10:13 PM
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If you are a citizen of the states, you should believe in the constitution. And the constitution doesn't say "we can have nukes, and we'll just build bases in FOREIGN countries to make sure they can't build nukes" I mean we have bases in more than half the countries on the planet. Why do you think all other nations are opposed to our foreign policy as many others? We're almost to the point of blowing people up because we want them to shut up than to "negotiate" anything.
03-14-2009, 11:39 AM
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i tried to watch the video, i really did. i even made it past the eloquent "america is like burger king" and "america is like wrestlitng" comparisons and the expert political analysis of people like fear factor host and comedian, joe rogan. but it lost me at this quote, "this movie will prove that obama promises one thing, and does another."
wow! you can prove that politicians don't follow through on their promises? holy crap! alert teh media!
wow! you can prove that politicians don't follow through on their promises? holy crap! alert teh media!
03-14-2009, 02:27 PM
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Waiting periods were designed back when it took 10 or so days to do a BG check..
The waiting period isn't required anymore since NICS checks became instant.
And on it's face a bg check/waiting period isn't bad..
In practice though, the law costs money, and does nothing to actually prevent crime.
And though it's been stated at least a hundred times.. Criminals get guns, the above laws only empower criminals by creating unarmed victims.
The waiting period isn't required anymore since NICS checks became instant.
And on it's face a bg check/waiting period isn't bad..
In practice though, the law costs money, and does nothing to actually prevent crime.
And though it's been stated at least a hundred times.. Criminals get guns, the above laws only empower criminals by creating unarmed victims.
haha all the evil in the world ties together quite well with this explanation...
03-14-2009, 05:13 PM
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On what planet is a total ban on usable firearms for self defense slightly left leaning??
What is the weather like on this planet??
Please explain where you get this from??
In America, the total outlaw of semi-auto firearms and the outlawing of legitimate self defense in your home puts you more than slightly leaning left..
It puts you out in Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong land..
And as a side note..
Keeping Guns out of the inner cities is:
1. Unrealistic--Criminals will get guns.
2. Classist I suppose only rich uptowners and folks that can afford bodyguards have a right to secure in their persons..
3. Racist.. Most of the time these laws affect Minorities disproportionately when compared to whites.
What is the weather like on this planet??
Please explain where you get this from??
In America, the total outlaw of semi-auto firearms and the outlawing of legitimate self defense in your home puts you more than slightly leaning left..
It puts you out in Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong land..
And as a side note..
Keeping Guns out of the inner cities is:
1. Unrealistic--Criminals will get guns.
2. Classist I suppose only rich uptowners and folks that can afford bodyguards have a right to secure in their persons..
3. Racist.. Most of the time these laws affect Minorities disproportionately when compared to whites.
1. When did Obama's actions show support of a "total ban" of "usable" firearms for self defense? (And wtf is a "usable firearm"? Wouldn't an unusable firearm be a broken gun?)
2. What does Karl Marx have to do with gun control? Don't throw out names just to try sound smart, it never works.
03-14-2009, 05:20 PM
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You can't control criminal gun activity with more laws. That's not common sense. People who do things illegally aren't going to stop because you just made more of the things they do illegal.
Enforcement of the laws we have is what's needed. Not more laws that we can't enforce and make it a burdon on law biding citizens.
Enforcement of the laws we have is what's needed. Not more laws that we can't enforce and make it a burdon on law biding citizens.
You're entitled to your opinion. I judge actions.
I do see where you're going with this, but you ignored the part where I said he was no worse than any other previous Democrat president. That was my point, and that point is correct.
03-14-2009, 05:23 PM
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If you are a citizen of the states, you should believe in the constitution. And the constitution doesn't say "we can have nukes, and we'll just build bases in FOREIGN countries to make sure they can't build nukes" I mean we have bases in more than half the countries on the planet. Why do you think all other nations are opposed to our foreign policy as many others? We're almost to the point of blowing people up because we want them to shut up than to "negotiate" anything.
03-14-2009, 05:25 PM
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Here's a quote that sums up perfectly what the right to bear arms is about:
"The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny."
"The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny."